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the smoke radio

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for the masses headline edition july 8

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1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found

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and is now in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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the global radio alliance

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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jimmy judge on the game changer network

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good evening

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paid to black

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with smoke radio

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all right yeah getting settled in

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today's wednesday december 23 2020

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358 days into the new year

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only two days till christmas

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yeah man you saw my post today santa

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i'll show that that new thing tomorrow

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that's right i would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far

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and near this is fade to black

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we're live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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california for kjcr the game changer

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network

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and kgra the planet i'm your host jimmy

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church

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yeah man how you doing tonight live from

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the uk

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ronnie dugdale is here another first

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time guest two

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first-time guests this week that's how

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we do it around here

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ronnie is here to confirm

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the rendelshim timeline there's a lot

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about ronnie that we are going to be

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discussing tonight i'm really looking

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forward to this

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and then of course tomorrow night is

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christmas eve

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we made it tomorrow night's christmas

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eve it's another fader night it's

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open lines all night long special

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christmas show it's gonna be great

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and uh i don't really have anything

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uh for tomorrow uh it's it's open lines

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it's christmas eve so we're gonna be

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talking about christmas all night

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right right maybe not

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ah we'll see whatever whatever's on your

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mind you guys got anything on your mind

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anything you want to talk about tomorrow

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night huh anything going on out there

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all right let's move on and uh

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very excited about the show tonight and

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uh john burroughs new

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book uh weaponization of the uap

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is a must read and you've got to go and

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get it we've got all the links up in

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in social media but you've got to go and

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get the book and ronnie's uh

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contribution to this book is

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all right so we're going to be going

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through all of that tonight

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and you know i've had everybody on the

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uh in and around rendelsham

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and ronnie ronnie has been central

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uh to it all and and i've been

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lurking you know in the background and

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uh ronnie over the years and to have him

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finally on the show we've almost done

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this a few times in the past

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but uh tonight is going to be great and

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forward to it all right so just stand by

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and we will get to ronnie at the bottom

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of the hour now

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you can follow me on twitter at j

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church radio there you go

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i had bigfoot's baby i had bigfoot's

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i missed those days man i would

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when when i when i was just like all of

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this if you were around

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and you're shopping right you're at the

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supermarket with your mom you're five

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you're six and and you pull up

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to your right and to your left uh you

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right and and and you know that your mom

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that you're gonna get denied on but

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you're gonna try to do it anyway but

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was the son the inquirer right

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what was the world news and you're

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looking at these magazine covers

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and you know elvis on mars

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i had bigfoot's baby my daughter's an

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alien and i would uh

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you know uh jfk spotted

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with bigfoot and and and i would just

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yeah i believed all of it i thought it

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anything else and from time to time my

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mom would man she would she would

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she would she'd buy one and i would i

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um anymore are they i i don't s

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uh you know what that's a show that's a

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that's my commitment to you guys i'm

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gonna go out and see if i can

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find uh pick up that guitar talk to me

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uh you'll have to wait for that tomorrow

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night but uh

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it's it's right over there but i'm gonna

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no no no no no no gonna wait till

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tomorrow night

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maybe that second one will arrive

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tomorrow

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rita's listening right now what

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honey it was only five dollars all right

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

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hashtag f2b

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is the sandbox live right in front of me

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it's not real the inquirer i know right

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see twitter's right in front of me we've

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got the chat rooms open hello

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there's laura there's ann there's

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over in that's all i can see right now

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right there but the chat rooms are open

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hello to everybody on youtube

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facebook uh ubn uh the bunker cam

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what is going on wearing my van halen

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shirt it's the day before

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the day before the day before i can't

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believe it tomorrow's christmas eve

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i'm in a great mood okay uh

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covid report i'm still at about 60

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and um i've been fighting these

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migraines

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and i've i've never gone through i used

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at migraines people go man i've got a

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migraine on my

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migraines it's fake migraines fake news

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nobody gets migraines i never got now oh

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man uh it's 24 hours a day

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and um i figured out what works

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for me and that is this is look don't

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take this as some medical advice but

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this is what works for me sugar

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coffee cbd advil

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yeah that's that's that's it that's my

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it's crazy woke up today and and rita's

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right this eye is just like closed and i

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you know and it's like it's there now

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it's i i know it's in the distance i i

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just munched a bunch of advil

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before the show i'm drinking uh really

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and uh i feel pretty good but i just

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lurking oh man last night was just

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horrible but i did get nyquil today

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everybody i went out and and had to get

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a bunch of stuff done

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one bottle of nyquil

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sorry i did get nyquil so i'll be able

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to get through uh

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uh the night tonight but last night it

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rita because i i kept waking up like

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and i just just and i i just couldn't

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shake it

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i woke up without it but uh that's it

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um who was i speaking to speaking to

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somebody today

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and uh well yesterday too as well on the

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phone was richard nolan

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um i spoke to you yesterday morning and

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everybody

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covet is in my head

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it's weird man i just

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i i cannot wait for this to end whatever

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it is

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i i don't know i don't know okay let's

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get to the breaking news

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uh this started to hit uh yesterday

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and uh i was saddened by it because of

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the reports that were coming in

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um leslie west

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wow leslie west the guitarist who

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created the hard rock anthem

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mississippi queen i mean that was some

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that was that was the original

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thrash guitar to me

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and mississippi queen his band mountain

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he died this morning felix papiarti

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the cause of death was cardiac arrest

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he was rushed to a hospital and the

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report started to come out

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after suffering a heart attack at his

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home near daytona florida but he never

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regained consciousness he was just 75

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incredible incredible

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20 20 takes another one let's get the

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show cracking happy birthday to

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today susan lucci i said it

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i said it susan lucci

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today 74. erica kane

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and all my children for like 60 years

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eddie vetter today

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56 years old now eddie vetter look

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a huge eddie vedder fan i i just

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um listening uh to all of those albums

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in the 90s

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just one after 10. oh man right jeremy

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whoo right okay so anyway

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all these songs about the man and

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oppression

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and this and that and

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and he's forced to you know he's driving

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around

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in like a ferrari right

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when he when you're any better right

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do you not buy a new car you don't want

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to really be

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seen at a stoplight right and look over

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and see eddie vetter in a

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convertible porsche or something you

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know it just

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so what do you do do you not wash your

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clothes

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do you not own a car right

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do you live up to it love any better

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derek smalls

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bass player for spinal tap

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today is 77 years old adrian ballou

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today is 71 frank zappa

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iron maiden's dave murray today is 64

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years old our dead guy's birthday today

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is

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moment of silence i do it every year

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corey haim

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1971 to 2010 died at the age of 38.

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corey starred in a number of 1980s films

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such as

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lucas silver bullet murphy's romance

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dream a little dream

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but he co-starred along with the other

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cory corey feldman

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and two of my all-time favorite films

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licensed to drive

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and the lost boys his early success led

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to

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a lot of money and fame he had

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difficulty breaking away from the trauma

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of his experience as a child

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actor and was troubled by drug addiction

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throughout his later

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life he died alone and without friends

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of pneumonia on march 10th 2010.

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happy birthday corey hey license to

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drive man

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license to drive on this day in history

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otd

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1968 the crew of the uss pueblo

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is released by north korea after almost

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a year

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in captivity that's right they were

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released

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two days before christmas fader fact

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all right now again i bet you didn't

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know this

343
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but it's been vetted

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because of a typographical error

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a bible was printed

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lots of them and the bible stated

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that quote thou

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they left out the not published in 1631

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this bible is also known as the

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adulteress bible or the sinner's bible

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only several hundred copies remain today

352
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and they are worth big big money to

353
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collectors

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and that is your fader fact tonight live

355
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from the uk

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ronnie doug dale is here ah man we're

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going to be talking randall [\h__\h] his

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timeline is extraordinary we're going to

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be going through all

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of that tonight and much more and then

361
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tomorrow night is christmas eve

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it is thursday it is another fader night

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with open lines all night long

364
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very special christmas show our family

365
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is spending it with yours

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tomorrow night on fade to black and i'm

367
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really looking forward to it now

368
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this is the point of the show where i

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drink this

370
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river moon coffee oh i meant to post it

371
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today

372
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river moon maybe i'll do it during one

373
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river moon sent us a bag of coffee today

374
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that it's this big

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it's like a bag of garden soil it's like

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this big

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you know when you go uh you get you get

378
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dog food

379
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and you buy that 40 pound bag of dog

380
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food and you can barely pick it up and

381
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put it in the shopping cart you know

382
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what i'm talking about you don't need to

383
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put it in shopping or you put it

384
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underneath it's like that

385
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what what is this they just want to make

386
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sure i don't run out

387
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i want to thank riverman coffee for that

388
00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:27,840
i'm going to post a picture it's it's

389
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insane

390
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you know the label right that comes on

391
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uh

392
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the faded black coffee right and the

393
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label takes up the you know

394
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right all right you know what i'm

395
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talking about well same

396
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label but you can't even see it it's a

397
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big silver

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river moon coffee dot com

399
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all right fade to black blend use the

400
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promo code f2b blend

401
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15 off of your order today click on the

402
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banners over at jimmychurchradio.com

403
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it's all

404
00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:02,080
out there river moon coffee check out

405
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all of our new

406
00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:06,880
wellness products yeah

407
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:09,600
can i say it on the air cbd that's right

408
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black

409
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cbd it's there you can get it

410
00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:24,000
um eye serum you know for your face face

411
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serum

412
00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:27,520
cbd yeah yep yep yep you got to get

413
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:28,640
yourself some

414
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:31,280
i use it people say jimmy you've got

415
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that fresh

416
00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:41,669
now you know why black moon face serum

417
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:43,840
helps my eyebrows grow too rita says

418
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jimmy

419
00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:47,840
you you've got new eyebrows

420
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:51,520
all right uh can you tell i'm in a good

421
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mood

422
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:57,760
right new guitars do that to you

423
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:01,440
well i gotta hit this coffee again i got

424
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something to say

425
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:10,559
man that's good coffee well as 2020

426
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:12,960
starts to wind down

427
00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:16,240
we all of us

428
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:17,760
around this time of year we start to

429
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:20,240
think up back about the year that was

430
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:22,080
and i'm not going to get into any of

431
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:23,679
that right now

432
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:25,440
uh most importantly because we've

433
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freaking discussed it ever

434
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:30,080
discussed it every night on the show so

435
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but

436
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:33,520
uh the other thing

437
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:35,840
that we all do at this time of the year

438
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:36,799
is that

439
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:40,720
we take that gander back in time

440
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:42,400
you know and we start to think about

441
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:44,559
what we've learned our mistakes you know

442
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:46,159
the good the bad the ugly

443
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:49,600
you know all that stuff and

444
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:56,789
our community has matured

445
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:01,280
all most of us have taken huge

446
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:04,640
strides with discernment

447
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:13,830
i see it i feel it

448
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:16,080
things today are just different for me

449
00:21:21,909 --> 00:21:17,600
in this community

450
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:21,919
now this is the point where i say

451
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:28,470
our community has seen

452
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:31,600
personalities come and go

453
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:36,480
all right trends start and fade away

454
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:39,760
documents are leaked and proven a hoax

455
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:42,480
we get the images the videos and those

456
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:44,159
pumping them up

457
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:48,000
and those that shoot them down

458
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,080
it's because we police ourselves

459
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,559
and we do a great job of it seriously we

460
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:56,400
really do

461
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:58,080
we'll chase somebody out of here real

462
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:00,159
quick man

463
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,840
right we've got discernment

464
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,200
we're used to heartbreak this

465
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:07,120
community's been around for a very

466
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:10,640
very long time decades

467
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:14,080
other communities out there

468
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:16,559
could learn a lot from our ufo brothers

469
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:23,430
and i know it doesn't seem like it but

470
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:24,880
they really could because

471
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:29,039
we have that ability

472
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:32,880
and it's gotten really really good

473
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:36,320
you see over the last year

474
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:39,200
i've managed to watch a few

475
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,799
documentaries

476
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:43,280
more than that actually and television

477
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,400
series

478
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:46,799
about different cults from around the

479
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:48,799
world

480
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:51,840
one of them is called

481
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wild wild country

482
00:23:02,630 --> 00:22:59,919
it's on netflix if you haven't seen it

483
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:02,640
check it out it's gonna blow your

484
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:05,200
friggin mind man

485
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,000
if you are old enough to remember when

486
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:10,000
it all went down

487
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,280
like i do then this whole sag is

488
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:14,880
probably a distant memory that you've

489
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:21,110
if you are too young to have been around

490
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in the 70s

491
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this is something that you must watch

492
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:35,270
about a cult leader goes up to oregon

493
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buys an entire town

494
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county thousands of people builds a

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city he's got his own army it's got a

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fleet of

497
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:52,520
i don't know 50 75 rolls royces

498
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:56,240
crazy crazy cult

499
00:24:04,070 --> 00:23:59,760
huge cult big

500
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,080
money big thousands and thousands

501
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:06,320
of people converged on on this town and

502
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,600
took it over

503
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,440
and and bought a bet it's it's it's not

504
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:11,279
a joke

505
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:14,559
watch that wild wild

506
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:17,760
country it's a long series too and you

507
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:18,880
think to yourself

508
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:21,760
especially if you didn't know about it

509
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:22,240
right

510
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:25,279
how could this happen and it's not

511
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just you know a few people

512
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or a few hundred it's a friggin county

513
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:36,159
that the state of oregon had to deal

514
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with

515
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,279
and it's crazy i'm talking about

516
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:41,039
infrastructure man i'm talking about

517
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,600
everything that you can think about

518
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:45,520
to build to take over town and then

519
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:49,039
build your own city right next to it

520
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,720
you need to go and check it check that

521
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:52,640
out

522
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:55,679
ufology

523
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:02,310
peanuts stupid [\h__\h]

524
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:05,840
compared to this you just can't compare

525
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,710
then there was butterfield

526
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and i know where you're going

527
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:16,400
battlefield what's that

528
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:19,520
the documentary is called holy hell

529
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:22,240
directed by will allen and it will

530
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,640
change

531
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:24,240
everything you thought about

532
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:25,840
self-control

533
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:29,039
another huge cult with

534
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:32,080
big money the leader of butterfield was

535
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:32,640
a man

536
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:36,960
known as michael andres the teacher

537
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:40,799
right his real name was jaime gomez

538
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:44,080
that's right he was once known to wear

539
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:45,760
and it's all in the documentary

540
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:48,799
he would just wear speedos and

541
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:52,880
and eye makeup and run around the cult

542
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:56,159
their compound crazy right

543
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:03,350
and he was a porn star and that all came

544
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:06,559
out later nobody knew that before

545
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,840
the cult was started right here in los

546
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:10,559
angeles

547
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:13,279
yeah back in the 1980s this is brand new

548
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:13,840
stuff

549
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:16,880
and i was here i lived here but i

550
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:19,039
somehow was fortunate to miss all of the

551
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:20,000
drama

552
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:21,279
rina and i watched this documentary

553
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:22,720
she's like did you know about this i was

554
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:24,240
like no

555
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:27,760
whoa right holy hell

556
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:30,960
is a must watch you've got to watch it

557
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:34,880
you want to talk about cults watch that

558
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:38,159
you uh the ufology

559
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:40,960
the cult leaders that you think are you

560
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:42,320
want to call a cult leader

561
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:45,520
watch holy hell and then

562
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:49,760
then you have bikram shootery

563
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:54,559
shoutery bikram b-i-k-r-a-m

564
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:03,909
hot yoga that's right

565
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:07,120
hot yoga and you got a hot yoga

566
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,799
place right next to your house right now

567
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:10,240
it's right down the street hot yoga

568
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,880
that's bikram

569
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,799
the new netflix documentary is called

570
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bikram yogi

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guru predator

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watch this it explores all of the sexual

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assault

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allegations against bikram oh it's deep

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and we are talking about a huge

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following international

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hot yoga right hundreds and

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hundreds of millions of dollars a real

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cult still running around today still

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active

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all of these were real cults with

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big money and people that just

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fell for it and bikram

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again right here in los angeles

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hot yoga i'm just like oh

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man and this this hasn't even ended

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so watch these three

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watch these three documentaries you're

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gonna learn a lot about what a cult is

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and and and how i didn't even get into

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heaven's gate that's so that's a whole

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nother situation

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but but watch these three

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there's something that tells me

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there's another documentary in our

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future

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so watch these three and

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all you can do when you're watching

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these

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as i have is insert the names and faces

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right insert the names and faces it's

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going to play out

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the same way i guarantee it

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so merry christmas everybody go watch

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your three cult documentaries

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and get back to me it's gonna take up a

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lot of your time i'm your host jimmy

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church

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this is fade to black it's the night

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before christmas eve

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and tonight live from the uk ronnie

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dugdale

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is here i'm going to be talking about

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rendel shrimp tonight's going to be a

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great show

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but again tomorrow night's christmas eve

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and kgra the planet

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to jimmychurchradio.com

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what's up chris what up this is jimmy

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church radio

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all right welcome back pain to block i

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big birthday shout out to fate or not

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oh gee deb cox

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29 years old today

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and my supplier of moonshine out of the

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great state of

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texas happy birthday deb

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tonight ronnie dugdale is here live from

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the uk tomorrow night is christmas eve

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we're doing a very special christmas

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eve show tomorrow night with all of you

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open lines all night long

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it's going to be great so we'll see

746
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everybody tomorrow night but tonight

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it's

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all about ronnie now we're going to be

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talking about his research

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and his contribution uh to john

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burroughs new book

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uh into the rendal shrimp forest

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incident but

754
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it's i've got to note a few things here

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ronnie has been an

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independent paranormal investigator uh

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in

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long time just a few miles up the coast

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from the runalsham forest

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where uh his interest in the incident

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started very soon after

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everything started to take off ronnie

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has appeared on many radio shows

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including

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the behind the paranormal return to

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rental shim specials

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and several appearances right here on

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kgra's phenomenon radio with john

769
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burroughs and linda moulton howe

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in may 2018 ronnie gave a reynolds force

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incident timeline presentation to a

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packed audience

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at the woodbridge community hall sharing

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the stage with his friends investigators

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brenda cutler

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chris pennington man i haven't talked to

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chris in a long time

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and uh john burroughs he had a series of

779
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articles on the rfi

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published in outer limits magazine the

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links to

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john's new book are right there uh on

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faded black and throughout social media

784
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i would like to welcome for the first

785
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time and it's about time to fade to

786
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black ronnie doug dale ronnie good

787
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,640
evening good morning

788
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:43,200
actually to you how are you guys good

789
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,800
morning jimmy and um

790
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,160
thank you very much for inviting me on

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00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,000
your show it's uh

792
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:50,400
yeah no the honor is all mine but before

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we get started ronnie uh first things

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first you get the first time guest

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disclaimer

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which is ronnie it's just you and i

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sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and

799
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where that conversation starts it starts

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00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:03,200
and where it ends it ends but we're

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going to end his friends

802
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:08,480
there he is good for me all right now um

803
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uh i want to i kind of want to start

804
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with a general statement

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ronnie before we talk about you

806
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:18,000
and that is this i uh along with

807
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:19,040
everybody else

808
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,920
uh we uh have been investigating rendel

809
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:23,920
shim for a very long time i've

810
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,720
i've been knee-deep in it now for uh

811
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over 25 years

812
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,839
um and one thing uh well there's many

813
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,200
but one thing that has come

814
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:35,760
up uh in and around rental shim over the

815
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years

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00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,240
is you i would see your name right and

817
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:42,160
and a different thing well ronnie

818
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:43,280
dugdale says

819
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right i'm just like you know and and

820
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:49,920
here we are uh 25 years later to finally

821
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get you

822
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:53,200
on the show and so i just wanted to get

823
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that out of the way okay

824
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:57,200
and and although you and i have talked

825
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about doing this for so long i don't

826
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know why it's taken seven years

827
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,960
uh to finally get you on the show but

828
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you're here and i'm very excited about

829
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it

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00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,599
so that being said let's go backwards

831
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:09,119
first

832
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:12,560
born in the uk yep

833
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:15,839
parents yep uk

834
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,079
and uh was this uh family upbringing

835
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:22,560
uh uh in and around uh you know

836
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woodbridge and rendlesham

837
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just down the coast in gulstan they

838
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:28,400
great yarmouth is where i was brought up

839
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:28,960
yeah

840
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:36,000
you i just went straight to the map and

841
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:36,960
i was like well

842
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:40,000
he was right there and

843
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:43,280
uh very cool uh

844
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:45,920
area uh right there now what were your

845
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:47,040
parents like

846
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:50,480
and did they have an interest in ufos

847
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:54,240
no um dad never had any interest in ufos

848
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:56,960
he was um a royal navy during the war

849
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:58,160
and after

850
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:01,520
um he worked um off the coast

851
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:04,720
where um a lot of experiments were taken

852
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:07,119
place but would never talk about him

853
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:10,400
um mum was clairvoyant medium never

854
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,040
um charged anyone a penny would help

855
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,599
people and was what we would call a seer

856
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:17,920
she even predicted the day of her death

857
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:21,280
and she died at 52. wait a minute here

858
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:24,720
ho ho ho ho hold the phone how cool

859
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:28,079
is that no not the prediction of her

860
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:29,599
death that your mom

861
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,040
was uh showing you that the world was

862
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,040
not what it seems

863
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:37,599
absolutely a mum talked to me about a

864
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:38,560
lot of things

865
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:41,200
that we would call nowadays remote

866
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:42,160
viewing right

867
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:44,960
and because she was doing that and she

868
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,960
would also talk about astro traveling

869
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,560
which i'm sure a lot of your

870
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,320
listeners the fade naughts will know all

871
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:52,240
about it and um

872
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,000
when things were happening to me she

873
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:56,800
would explain what was happening

874
00:40:03,589 --> 00:39:58,960
everything about you just became crystal

875
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:07,030
um you know this is the thing uh

876
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:10,560
my mom was the same way okay yeah and

877
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:13,440
into the same things and i thought i was

878
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,640
unique

879
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,880
right i thought i was special that i had

880
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:18,000
a mom that was

881
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:20,880
you know you know crazy like that you

882
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:21,359
know that

883
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,800
that just didn't want to accept the

884
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:24,720
world and the more

885
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:27,680
people that i meet like yourself i just

886
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:28,720
find out that

887
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:31,839
i we we've got so much in common

888
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:34,720
right and and i i think that's great i

889
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:35,760
think that's great

890
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:38,480
um but no no ufo sightings from your

891
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,680
parents and nothing

892
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,599
nothing like that ufos were not

893
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:43,760
discussed at the kitchen table

894
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:46,079
no ufos were never discussed um

895
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:47,599
paranormal

896
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,640
sightings were were discussed um when i

897
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:52,720
was a very small child

898
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:55,520
um i would imagine maybe in between nine

899
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:57,119
and ten years old

900
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,319
um i had a saturn with a group of

901
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:02,560
friends and where where mum and dad

902
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,760
lived where i lived

903
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:05,760
and at the back of our house was some a

904
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:07,920
playground and by beyond that was open

905
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:09,119
fields

906
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:13,200
and i witnessed uh craft land

907
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:15,920
and um i never talked about it ever

908
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,000
never spoke to anyone about it and only

909
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:19,920
about maybe five years ago through

910
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:21,119
facebook

911
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:23,599
one of the girls who was in that gang of

912
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:24,319
kids

913
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:28,480
contacted me and and then first of all

914
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:31,520
just made a few pleasantries about you

915
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,079
know

916
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:34,000
nice to speak to after all these years

917
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:35,200
and then i was

918
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:37,200
actually out walking my dog and so i'm

919
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:38,640
texting as i'm morgan

920
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,000
and then she comes up with did i imagine

921
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:44,240
and went into the full story of what

922
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,079
happened with the ufo

923
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,240
and so i asked her to describe that and

924
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:50,160
that was exactly how i remembered it and

925
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:51,200
as far as i know

926
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:53,200
i have a group of maybe nine or more

927
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,240
kids

928
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:56,160
and she's the only person ever to talk

929
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:57,359
about and why

930
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,839
i put it back in my mind i don't know

931
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:01,520
because it's such a bizarre thing

932
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:03,520
i don't even think we told our parents

933
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:04,880
about it

934
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,000
uh what did you see was it a classic

935
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:10,079
flying saucer i don't want to put words

936
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:11,680
words in your mouth okay so what did you

937
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,480
see

938
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,400
no absolutely not that look i mean i

939
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,560
come from a farm and community and what

940
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:18,400
it looked like as a combine harvester

941
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:19,040
like a big

942
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:22,160
tractor illuminated and that came down

943
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:24,319
slowly in the field like a spider would

944
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:25,599
on the web

945
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,400
very slowly and just sat there and so we

946
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,160
were just watching it in all

947
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:32,800
and then with the blink of an eye's gone

948
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:33,200
oh

949
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:35,359
really well that's a that's a that's a

950
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:36,720
game changer and

951
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,560
so you you keep this inside of yourself

952
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,560
uh forever did you ever tell your

953
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:45,359
parents did you ever tell anybody

954
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:47,599
i don't think i did i don't think i did

955
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:49,040
i just can't remember

956
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,200
and i put it to the back of my mind

957
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:53,839
until this person contacted me

958
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:56,400
and then that will come flooding back

959
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,880
why

960
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:58,960
is it ronnie that's a a really good

961
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:00,079
point why

962
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:04,000
is it that so many

963
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,000
have memories like that

964
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,640
that they put on the shelf because i've

965
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,960
had them too i haven't started to

966
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:14,720
remember like these strange things

967
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:17,440
because they happen in an instant

968
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,839
and then you just put it on the shelf

969
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:22,079
why is that

970
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:23,839
i don't have no answers for that jimmy

971
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:25,920
you know i don't know i know that when i

972
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:27,680
was a young child

973
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:30,720
um mum and dad took me to the doctors

974
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,200
because

975
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:33,599
i was having what they thought was night

976
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,119
terrors

977
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:38,160
and um i would get

978
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:42,480
these um things come into my bedroom

979
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,520
and in particular one tall shadow person

980
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:47,359
standing in the landing i knew when that

981
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:48,640
was going to happen because i'd get this

982
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:50,319
weird buzzing sensation in the back of

983
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:51,280
my

984
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,800
to happen and i couldn't

985
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:57,200
talk and i was paralyzed and they said

986
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,920
it was

987
00:44:01,270 --> 00:44:00,000
or the doctor said that was sleep

988
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:01,280
paralysis

989
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:03,440
now the doctor wanted to give me

990
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:04,640
electric shock

991
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:08,640
treatment they'd already done my brother

992
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:12,240
um he had electric shock treatment wow

993
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:15,520
but my dad stepped in and put a stop to

994
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:15,839
her

995
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,520
and i never had uh never had it done

996
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:22,400
and i found out on his deathbed why he

997
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,280
stepped in and

998
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:25,680
and wouldn't allow it to be done because

999
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:28,240
i used to see this person in my hallway

1000
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,480
or this shadow person in my hallway and

1001
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,480
obviously i was terrified and these

1002
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,640
things around my bed

1003
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:38,000
and i didn't know what was going on i

1004
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:39,680
thought that was something spiritual i

1005
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:40,400
thought there was

1006
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:45,040
ghosts and did they stop

1007
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:48,400
the no no um they

1008
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:51,520
they followed me all through my adult

1009
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:52,400
life

1010
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:55,200
until i um no i went away to see at 15

1011
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:56,240
years old

1012
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,680
nothing never happened all the while i

1013
00:45:02,470 --> 00:44:59,920
was away at sea when i came back

1014
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:02,480
and got married and had a young family

1015
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,040
and we

1016
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:05,760
moved to um a house in a small village

1017
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:06,880
near great yarmouth

1018
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,480
and they started again and but then that

1019
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:12,079
house did have a history

1020
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:15,760
of hornets so i put it down you know

1021
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:17,119
that was what was happening yeah it was

1022
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:19,040
haunted yeah yeah okay

1023
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:22,160
so these went on for years and then one

1024
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:23,200
day by chance

1025
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:26,960
i was a a yard sale and i found

1026
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,640
um a picture

1027
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:32,480
i think you call them icons that like

1028
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:33,920
the polish and russian had

1029
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:36,480
sure that was madonna and child two

1030
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:38,000
angels in the side

1031
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,680
and that was next to nothing a few

1032
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,280
pennies a few cents

1033
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:43,280
and so i took it home and i hung up and

1034
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,480
from that day on

1035
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,640
nothing has ever happened and do you

1036
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:48,319
still have it

1037
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:51,280
i still i can show you yeah just a

1038
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,319
minute

1039
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,319
okay and as ronnie's getting up i'm

1040
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:56,319
looking he's got his christmas tree in

1041
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:57,680
the background

1042
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:01,040
he's got a very elegant uh home

1043
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,720
and now he's showing it oh look at that

1044
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:06,480
oh yeah that'll scare the crap out of

1045
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:07,920
anything evil right

1046
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:10,560
there so so i'll pay 20 pence for this

1047
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,440
and that's on

1048
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:13,520
wood and that was dated to sixteen

1049
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:15,520
hundreds yeah i was gonna say

1050
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:17,359
uh you you bought it for pennies and

1051
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:19,359
it's probably worth a half a million

1052
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:20,560
dollars

1053
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:23,359
yeah well it looks really old yeah that

1054
00:46:26,829 --> 00:46:25,119
is really old and when i um

1055
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,839
i went to my local museum and they

1056
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,560
authentic authenticator

1057
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,319
they took a piece of the wood out and

1058
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:31,760
dendrited it

1059
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,760
and they said they'd like to buy it

1060
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:35,200
because that was a

1061
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,640
a polish icon and when the um

1062
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:41,119
polish people i don't know who they were

1063
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:42,480
fleeing whether

1064
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:45,280
whatever but they were um on the road

1065
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,160
walking

1066
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:48,880
they would keep this in their pocket and

1067
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:50,319
all the crud around the outside which

1068
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:51,440
haven't cleaned

1069
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:52,960
why it was clean in the middle was

1070
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:54,880
because they'd say their prison kissing

1071
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:57,280
oh right right right yeah yeah it's so

1072
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:58,079
let me

1073
00:47:02,309 --> 00:46:59,920
i'm going to tell the audience it's

1074
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:02,319
about an inch thick it's a big piece of

1075
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,200
wood

1076
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,520
and the icon is i don't know three

1077
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:07,680
inches by six inches

1078
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:10,720
uh with uh with mary madonna and child i

1079
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:11,839
guess you would say that is

1080
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:14,560
yes that's madonna and child and the two

1081
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:15,680
angels i know

1082
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,280
uh um archangel um michael or michael

1083
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:22,079
and angel gabriel and i know that for a

1084
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,359
different reason because something

1085
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:25,520
happened on the day my sister died

1086
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:28,079
and they visit me oh really oh tell me

1087
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,880
about it

1088
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:31,440
i want to know okay my son my sister

1089
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:32,480
died very young

1090
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:35,839
42 she didn't die suddenly she had um

1091
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:38,960
cancer all over her body she said she

1092
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:39,599
survived

1093
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:41,200
for probably two years more than what

1094
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:43,280
she should have done so i've came home

1095
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,800
from the market on man

1096
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,880
i sell on the market in the summertime

1097
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:48,559
and plant some flowers

1098
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,559
and i've done something i've never done

1099
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:52,240
before i laid down on my bed and went to

1100
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,200
sleep

1101
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:56,000
um my sister geraldine was in hospital

1102
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,960
at the time

1103
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,880
and i knew she was dying but i didn't

1104
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,240
think she was gonna

1105
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:02,400
die anytime soon because you know jimmy

1106
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:04,240
when people die cancer

1107
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:06,319
that's a long drawn-out affair and she'd

1108
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,599
been the hospital

1109
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:09,200
so many times and they said that's going

1110
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,800
to be tomorrow they said it was going to

1111
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:12,000
be tomorrow and she lived for another

1112
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:13,440
two days after that

1113
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:15,520
but um i laid down and when i woke up

1114
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:17,040
the phone rang

1115
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,880
answer it and that was my brother-in-law

1116
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,319
and i knew what he was going to say

1117
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:24,480
that my sister had slipped away and at

1118
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:25,440
the corner of my

1119
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,280
bedroom at the far corner was two angels

1120
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:32,000
and these were the two angels of this

1121
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:32,800
icon

1122
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:35,119
and michael and gabrielle now they

1123
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:36,640
weren't how you'd imagine

1124
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:39,599
life-size these were about 12 to 18

1125
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,720
inches tall

1126
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,480
and they were just in the corner of the

1127
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,319
room and there was a

1128
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,720
sensation of music like you would think

1129
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,240
from a biblical epic

1130
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:51,119
movie you know i was hearing this and

1131
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:51,920
then i

1132
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:54,960
i'm taking it all in thinking you know

1133
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:57,920
i've got to watch this this is something

1134
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:58,640
isn't real

1135
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:01,359
is it in my imagination and then slowly

1136
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:04,640
they were they went away

1137
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:08,079
that's how did you feel

1138
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:11,760
um well i felt like maybe that was a

1139
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:13,839
message from my sister to say that this

1140
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,040
isn't the end and

1141
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:17,359
everything's all right now and that

1142
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,800
wasn't the end of everything what

1143
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:20,880
happened in this house where i live now

1144
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:24,079
i've had a few very weird experiences

1145
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:28,559
and with um all i can describe masses

1146
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:31,839
i'm going to interrupt you turn around

1147
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:34,400
as you said all of that all of the

1148
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,000
ornaments on your tree just shook

1149
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:40,640
do you see them moving i can see a

1150
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:42,839
couple's still moving yeah

1151
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:45,839
yeah what was that

1152
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,920
is there any wind in there what what

1153
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:49,359
caused that

1154
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:52,400
no we do have visitation to this house

1155
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,520
that is decree look

1156
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:57,280
i don't talk about this kind of stuff on

1157
00:50:02,710 --> 00:49:59,119
the show it doesn't ever happen

1158
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:02,720
i'm telling you as you said that all of

1159
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:03,680
the ornaments

1160
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:06,800
in your tree just started to sh

1161
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,559
i mean like shake wow

1162
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:13,040
that was really cool man that was really

1163
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:14,400
that was a moment

1164
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,589
that's nice to know that um you know

1165
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:23,520
when our loved ones pass jimmy they

1166
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,720
don't just die

1167
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,400
you know they are still around us i've

1168
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:27,920
had so much proof

1169
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:31,359
that was just that was a man my

1170
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:34,319
my hairs that was pretty cool but now

1171
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:35,839
now i can't even i can't even look at

1172
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:36,960
you ronnie i'm gonna look at the

1173
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:38,079
ornaments

1174
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:41,359
uh in the background now okay let's uh

1175
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:44,240
uh let's move forward a little bit um

1176
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:45,119
between

1177
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:49,440
all of this and in 1980

1178
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:52,400
were were ufos a part of your life were

1179
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,599
you investigating

1180
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:55,440
were you researching did you have any

1181
00:51:02,150 --> 00:50:59,440
other sightings any other tractors land

1182
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:02,160
that was the only one until 1980 no

1183
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,280
kidding

1184
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:06,480
yeah now um as uh

1185
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,079
things um just a minute jimmy there was

1186
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:12,400
um when i was a young lad and i can't

1187
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:13,760
really pinpoint when but i should

1188
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:14,880
imagine mum wouldn't

1189
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,400
blame me on my own

1190
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:20,480
maybe until i was 12 or 13 i was

1191
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:23,359
seafishing down on the beach at galston

1192
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:26,319
and there was one other person and he

1193
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:27,359
was

1194
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:30,400
100 yards up the beach from me and just

1195
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:30,880
off

1196
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,079
the coast of the horizon coming in close

1197
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:37,200
was like a load of lights illuminating

1198
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,280
and i'm stood there thinking what the

1199
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,359
hell is it and that looked just like we

1200
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:43,440
have a fun fair park at great yarmouth

1201
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,280
called the pleasure beach and that

1202
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:47,440
looked just like an amusement park

1203
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:50,880
but off to the sea and so this old chap

1204
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:54,319
come walking over to me and he says

1205
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:57,760
do you see what i see son and i said

1206
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:59,440
well i see something that looks like a

1207
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:01,760
village or a city or something

1208
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:04,800
parked off to the sea and he said yes he

1209
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:05,599
said

1210
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:07,760
don't um let's look at you telling your

1211
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:09,119
parents about it because they'll never

1212
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:11,440
believe you they think you've gone mad

1213
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:14,000
and that was that was it but the strange

1214
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:15,760
twist in that is jimmy

1215
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:18,480
years and years and years later a chap

1216
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:19,520
come and saw me

1217
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:22,720
um at my stall on the market and said

1218
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:24,160
you've got some lovely plants

1219
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:26,000
you know where do you grow them and how

1220
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:27,520
do you do it and i said well i have to

1221
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:29,200
transport them in my car i have to do

1222
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:30,800
three or four journeys a day

1223
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,760
and he said well when um when you finish

1224
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:35,280
the market come and see me

1225
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,720
and he was a market trader in the

1226
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,720
village just close to me and i went

1227
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:40,559
around and seen him and he had a big

1228
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:41,920
plot of land

1229
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:44,160
and to cut long story short he said

1230
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:45,599
there's all this land that's doing

1231
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,160
nothing

1232
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:48,880
i'm finished i'm retired he says it's a

1233
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:50,079
shame to see it

1234
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:51,920
go to waste all that's ever done has

1235
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:53,119
caused me misery

1236
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:55,119
but if you want to use it you can and

1237
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:57,520
that's the chat on the beach

1238
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:04,390
what does that tell you um about your

1239
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:06,000
mom

1240
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:09,680
the universe right our world around us

1241
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:12,559
things happen for a reason yeah i think

1242
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:14,160
everything happens for a reason and that

1243
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:15,599
definitely did didn't that

1244
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,599
and um you know we had many happy years

1245
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:19,680
with like and the thing is jimmy

1246
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:21,520
the guy never charged me a penny rent

1247
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:22,880
ever

1248
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,559
charged me a penny rank

1249
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,480
i started buying things and treat him

1250
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:30,480
and and look after him best i could

1251
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:31,839
because he was elderly

1252
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:34,640
but he would not take a penny she didn't

1253
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,559
need it and he probably didn't need it

1254
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:38,800
but he could have took it but he didn't

1255
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,720
now what what's the community

1256
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:42,400
like around there is it a high

1257
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:44,079
strangeness community

1258
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:47,680
is there uh you know reports of ufo

1259
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:50,079
sightings or orbs or

1260
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:52,240
you know just the paranormal and the

1261
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:54,160
supernatural

1262
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:56,559
yeah we live in a very strange area

1263
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:57,599
where i live

1264
00:54:01,589 --> 00:54:00,640
um there there's a few of my facebook

1265
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:01,599
friends who

1266
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:04,720
who i've met few um through facebook and

1267
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:06,240
they're in touch with things all the

1268
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:07,680
while and i get messages

1269
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:10,400
there's a a white light orb coming over

1270
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:11,119
the sea

1271
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,640
have a look at your windows heading

1272
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:14,720
eastwards there is things happen not

1273
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:16,960
many people look up to the skies jimmy

1274
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:20,000
but the the area where i live is steeped

1275
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:21,760
in paranormal activity

1276
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:24,319
just up the up the road we've got the

1277
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:24,960
village of

1278
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:28,160
hopton and there is a lay line go right

1279
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:29,040
through the church

1280
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:31,280
there where strange things happen we've

1281
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:33,520
got a radar station no defunct

1282
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,960
um hopton as well where really strange

1283
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:38,400
things have happened to much

1284
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:41,119
satan so including aliens inside the

1285
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:42,000
fence

1286
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:43,599
i mean this has all been reported in my

1287
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:45,599
local newspaper

1288
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:48,720
and the the other part about it is you

1289
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:49,359
guys have

1290
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:52,640
real history there right thousands of

1291
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:53,359
years

1292
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:55,839
uh i live in los angeles there's nothing

1293
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:57,760
older here than 50 years old

1294
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,799
right yes that's it

1295
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:03,040
my ancient history is the oldest

1296
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,000
mcdonald's

1297
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:06,960
you know whatever that that that's but

1298
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:07,440
but

1299
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:09,680
where you are and especially in the

1300
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:11,119
southeast part of

1301
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:14,240
the uk that's been occupied for

1302
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,000
thousands of years

1303
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:18,240
absolutely and just stopped the road

1304
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:19,440
inland from us

1305
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:22,480
is beckles and bungie very historic

1306
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:25,760
lots of um paranormal activity there

1307
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:28,079
just down the coast to outside

1308
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:29,920
reynoldsham is butley village the

1309
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:30,960
village where

1310
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,920
um witchcraft was first reported to have

1311
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:35,200
been in england

1312
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:37,599
the rendlesham forest itself still

1313
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:38,640
attracts

1314
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:48,950
pagans yeah pagans meet there regularly

1315
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:50,559
and have their witches covens

1316
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:53,760
and alistair um crowley his society

1317
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:54,799
still meet there

1318
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:57,280
and alastair alastair crowley did rent a

1319
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:00,000
house in woodbridge for several years

1320
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,839
i did not know that yeah and um

1321
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:06,000
give us the lay of the land you're just

1322
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:07,119
south

1323
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:10,160
um how far uh

1324
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:13,839
inland from the coast is woodbridge

1325
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:16,799
okay i'm just north actually you're just

1326
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:17,599
north i'm sorry

1327
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:20,720
yeah but but woodbridge is almost on the

1328
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:22,640
coast you've just got marshes really

1329
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,240
and a couple of fields and then you've

1330
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:27,040
got um butler village and then

1331
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:30,400
um tangent forest and then wood bridge

1332
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:33,440
and and bent bent waters which is just

1333
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:36,160
north um and a lot of people say that

1334
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:36,640
they

1335
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:40,480
map there is a little bit of distance

1336
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:42,319
there between the two bases

1337
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:44,000
there is about two or three miles yeah

1338
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:45,680
about two or three miles and

1339
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:48,640
and and bent waters although it's just

1340
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:49,440
north

1341
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:51,839
it's about the same distance inland

1342
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:52,720
right maybe

1343
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:55,839
uh two miles so you would purchase

1344
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:58,000
nearest inland yes that's what i said

1345
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:59,440
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

1346
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:02,000
yeah and so but they're both about about

1347
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:03,920
two miles right then water is a little

1348
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:04,720
further

1349
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:07,520
uh because of the angle of the coast but

1350
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:08,559
but they're not

1351
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:11,359
right on the the forest is in between

1352
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:12,720
both bases

1353
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:15,599
and and the sea yeah that's right you've

1354
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:17,920
got an area called the sandlings

1355
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:21,359
where very uh mostly marshland uh

1356
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:23,440
that's almost at sea level where

1357
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:25,599
woodbridge and bent were

1358
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:28,319
um waters is that's a little bit more

1359
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,400
elevated than what the rest is

1360
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:32,640
um and that's the the only thing what

1361
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:34,720
well there's trees

1362
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:37,920
yeah that's it and um i know the bases

1363
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:39,920
have been deactivated for a while what

1364
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:42,640
what are they used for now

1365
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:45,440
they're not deactivated um woodbridge is

1366
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:46,880
used by the british

1367
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:50,160
um airborne division that's

1368
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:52,000
fully active bent waters is an

1369
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:53,200
industrial park

1370
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:55,119
but they do keep a lot of the facilities

1371
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:56,720
for the film industry

1372
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,880
and different things like that you know

1373
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:00,720
yeah and and the cold war

1374
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:03,280
the cold war museum as a ben wars as

1375
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:03,839
well

1376
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:08,880
i just watched uh good omens and

1377
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:11,440
i i have the feeling i went to go

1378
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:14,319
research it i didn't get anywhere on it

1379
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:17,359
but i think that the the end of the

1380
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:18,400
series

1381
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:20,240
i think it was filmed at bent waters it

1382
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,000
looks just

1383
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:25,200
like it and i have that feeling and i

1384
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,200
knew that bentwaters is probably

1385
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:29,520
all of these uh british television

1386
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:31,920
series every time they show a runway

1387
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,520
or uh an air force base it's probably

1388
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:37,200
bent waters they do a lot of filming

1389
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,720
there now they do

1390
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:40,720
that there's a purpose built film

1391
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:42,319
studios there as well

1392
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,520
and sarah kimball who's um the daughter

1393
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:47,119
of the owner the person had

1394
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:49,920
actually and mr kimball owned the air

1395
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:50,720
base

1396
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:53,119
after world war ii and the ministry of

1397
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:54,480
defense they

1398
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:56,799
compulsory purchased stuff and stole off

1399
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:57,599
and really

1400
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,680
took away from him and then when it

1401
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:01,520
became available again

1402
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:03,440
that passed back in his hand so it's a

1403
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:04,960
really good business now there's lots of

1404
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:06,160
businesses there

1405
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:08,640
but they have kept everything to do with

1406
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:09,760
um the cold war

1407
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:12,240
or the usaf when they've kept it all

1408
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:13,040
original

1409
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:15,280
and that's people use it all the while

1410
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:17,280
for films yeah it looks amazing

1411
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:18,960
now really quick i've only got 30

1412
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:21,440
seconds um

1413
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:25,440
in between uh bentwaters and woodbridge

1414
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:28,000
there's a road there on google maps that

1415
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:29,680
is not labeled so i don't know what the

1416
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:30,960
name of it is but

1417
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:32,640
in the book you always see the mention

1418
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:34,319
of eastgate road

1419
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:37,839
is eastgate road the road that i'm

1420
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,119
speaking about now

1421
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:41,680
where it's in google maps it says

1422
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:42,640
rendelshim

1423
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:45,599
car park right so there's a parking lot

1424
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:47,520
there is that the east gate

1425
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:49,280
that's that's what we call that's what

1426
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:50,640
we call the east gate road

1427
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:52,240
and what a lot of people don't realize

1428
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:54,000
jimmy is that when

1429
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:58,000
the um americans leased raf woodbridge

1430
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:59,119
and raf

1431
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:01,520
bent wars they also leased that road as

1432
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:02,160
well

1433
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:04,640
so um all this talk you hear of them not

1434
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:06,400
going off base with their

1435
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:10,000
their um guns and ammunition and stuff

1436
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:12,480
they won't break a new um states of

1437
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:15,040
forces agreement that was part of the

1438
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:16,000
deal

1439
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:18,799
right so for those in the audience

1440
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:19,680
tonight

1441
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:21,280
you can go to reynolds from force you

1442
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:22,960
can look it up on google maps you can

1443
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:23,359
click

1444
01:00:27,789 --> 01:00:26,799
and go straight there and look at the

1445
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:27,799
road that is

1446
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:31,040
unlabeled but in the middle of that road

1447
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:32,640
right in between rental shim

1448
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:35,599
uh between woodbridge and bent waters it

1449
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:36,000
says

1450
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:38,960
rendelshim car park and then that is the

1451
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:39,680
forest

1452
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,200
uh to the west right and that's exactly

1453
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:45,680
the area where everything went down

1454
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:48,319
to the west under east yes yes okay yeah

1455
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:50,160
yeah all right uh it's time for us to

1456
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,200
take our break

1457
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:53,280
you just stay right there ronnie i am

1458
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:54,720
your host jimmy church i guess tonight

1459
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:56,079
live from the uk

1460
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:57,839
ronnie dugdale it's going to be a great

1461
01:01:01,829 --> 01:00:59,760
night tonight and a great conversation

1462
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:01,839
and i do want everybody to go over to

1463
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:03,760
google maps just do it

1464
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:06,079
and google render force get the

1465
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:08,000
satellite image blow it up

1466
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:09,760
and you will see where it says rendel

1467
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,680
shim car park and you can see it's right

1468
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:13,440
there in between wood bridge and bent

1469
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:15,440
waters i'm your host jimmy church

1470
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:17,119
this is fade to black on the game

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1596
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:18,010
planet

1597
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:33,510
welcome back fade to black i am your

1598
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:35,280
host jimmy church

1599
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:37,760
i guess tonight live from the uk ronnie

1600
01:06:42,309 --> 01:06:39,200
dugdale

1601
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:42,319
now i've said it many times i'll say it

1602
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:42,720
again

1603
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:45,359
ronnie's contribution to john burroughs

1604
01:06:50,069 --> 01:06:46,799
new book

1605
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:50,079
uh written with uh james worrow um it uh

1606
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:52,480
its importance and significance uh just

1607
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:53,760
cannot be measured

1608
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:55,839
and it is a pleasure and honor to have

1609
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:57,119
ronnie with us

1610
01:07:01,190 --> 01:07:00,000
but it doesn't it doesn't actually start

1611
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:01,200
on the 26th

1612
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:04,480
and um for a lot of different reasons

1613
01:07:10,309 --> 01:07:07,760
but uh you need to get the book and

1614
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:10,319
and get into the details there's so much

1615
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:11,200
here

1616
01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:13,280
that we don't have the time tonight to

1617
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:15,680
get into everything the minutia

1618
01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:18,400
and the way that ronnie has uh laid

1619
01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:19,119
everything out

1620
01:07:22,870 --> 01:07:21,200
it's absolutely incredible and even for

1621
01:07:25,829 --> 01:07:22,880
a researcher like me

1622
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:25,839
that likes to think that i know it all i

1623
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:26,400
learned

1624
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:28,000
so much from this i can't tell you

1625
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:30,640
ronnie i immediately called john

1626
01:07:37,829 --> 01:07:33,839
dude i'm learning stuff right

1627
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:37,839
okay now let's set the stage here

1628
01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:42,720
um and this was a moment for me uh

1629
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:45,440
that i learned a lot and about uh how

1630
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:46,960
you were

1631
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:50,160
uh in in a very strange way thrust into

1632
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:50,640
this

1633
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:54,000
now you were you were working right

1634
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:56,799
what was what was your gig um in and

1635
01:08:01,109 --> 01:07:57,839
around the area

1636
01:08:01,510 --> 01:08:01,119
when things started to kick off okay in

1637
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:01,520
um

1638
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:05,039
and up to and including 1980

1639
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,480
um my my boss owned nightclubs

1640
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:10,559
in lower stuff from great yarmouth and

1641
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:11,920
because i

1642
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:15,039
rode a fast motorbike sometimes he would

1643
01:08:17,110 --> 01:08:15,440
say

1644
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:17,120
can you just whip over to yarmouth

1645
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:19,199
because and that's kicking off over

1646
01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:20,159
there there's some

1647
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:22,480
usa airmen in there and there i know you

1648
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:24,080
know them and then they're a bit unruly

1649
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:25,520
and can you sort it out

1650
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:27,279
or can you just go over there and help

1651
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:28,960
or stand on the door

1652
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:31,520
and i just do this regularly you know

1653
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:33,279
made nothing to me i was halfway home

1654
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:35,679
if i was at great yarmouth and i got to

1655
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:37,359
know quite a lot of the airmen not all

1656
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:39,520
from woodbridge and bent wars

1657
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:42,239
but from mildenhall as well and legend

1658
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:42,880
heath

1659
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:44,799
you know they used to come up there to

1660
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:47,120
chase the girls i suppose that 18 19

1661
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:48,239
year old airman

1662
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:50,880
a long way away from home and i

1663
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:53,120
befriended quite a lot of them

1664
01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:55,440
you know in that short period of time

1665
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:56,799
now um

1666
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:59,520
i want everybody to to go to google so

1667
01:09:03,829 --> 01:09:00,080
you can

1668
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:03,839
uh understand uh what ronnie

1669
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:06,960
is describing to us and its importance

1670
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:10,799
um because these nightclubs

1671
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:13,920
uh were frequent i mean it's we're

1672
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:14,880
talking about

1673
01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:18,480
military uh personnel you've got two

1674
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:19,600
bases there

1675
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,199
and that's where everybody went to go

1676
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:23,440
blow off steam right that's it

1677
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:26,799
these are nightclubs that was one of the

1678
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:28,480
places i'm sure there was a lot more

1679
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:31,440
ipswich in areas but there was a certain

1680
01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:33,199
crowd who used to always come

1681
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:35,199
to great yarmouth you know when they had

1682
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:37,040
their their daily break

1683
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,279
and several of them dated girls who i

1684
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:41,359
knew i introduced some of them to their

1685
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:42,719
future wives

1686
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:45,520
and the boss liked them being in the

1687
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:46,239
club

1688
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:48,960
because they spent good money and there

1689
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:50,480
was another reason as well

1690
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:52,080
i don't think there was many bottles of

1691
01:09:56,540 --> 01:09:53,920
scotch behind the bar that didn't come

1692
01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:56,550
through bent wars and woodbridge right

1693
01:10:02,470 --> 01:09:58,400
[Laughter]

1694
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:02,480
and so that it was it was

1695
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:04,080
obviously during this time where your

1696
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:07,600
life uh completely changed for you

1697
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:11,520
um i have asked many times

1698
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:13,520
um and again this is brought out in the

1699
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:14,880
book and i was glad that it was

1700
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:16,480
presented this way

1701
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:19,920
from you i've asked everybody

1702
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:23,040
about what the chatter was around the

1703
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:24,000
base

1704
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:26,480
right after uh the 26th then you get

1705
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:28,640
into the 27th and so

1706
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:31,040
what what was going on was was this the

1707
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:32,000
conversation

1708
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:35,679
that was happening well you worked at uh

1709
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:39,360
a nightclub and that is exactly what

1710
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:40,800
happened with you you started to hear

1711
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:42,560
the chatter

1712
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:46,239
yeah um a few of them a handful of them

1713
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:48,239
um some of them looked a little bit

1714
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:49,920
distant and dazed and not

1715
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:52,560
normal you know and so i'll chat to him

1716
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:54,320
and ask him what the mat was

1717
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:58,239
and then the story came out that's

1718
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:59,760
something that happened in the woods

1719
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:01,199
they'd experienced something that they

1720
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:02,880
didn't understand

1721
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:04,880
and this must have been close to

1722
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:06,880
christmas maybe even boxing day i'm not

1723
01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:07,920
sure

1724
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:11,679
jimmy right so um

1725
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:14,719
so anyway they told me the story and one

1726
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:15,280
person

1727
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:18,159
told me about a craft the others just

1728
01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:19,600
said that they were chasing lights

1729
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:20,480
through the woods

1730
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:22,480
there had been lots of sightings of

1731
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:23,840
lights around the base

1732
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:27,760
during the day and in the evening so

1733
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:30,800
so you didn't and and i think that this

1734
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:34,239
is a a very important uh

1735
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:37,199
moment for everybody to absorb right now

1736
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:38,719
and it is this

1737
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:41,600
you didn't get involved when giorgio

1738
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:42,560
bruni you know

1739
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:45,360
released her book or jenny reynolds or

1740
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:47,120
or randall's i'm sorry

1741
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:51,120
uh no you were hearing the chatter

1742
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:53,760
as it was happening in real time so

1743
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:54,560
you've been

1744
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:56,880
involved and exposed to randallshim

1745
01:12:03,510 --> 01:11:59,520
since the absolute very beginning

1746
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:03,520
absolutely yeah and uh okay

1747
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:07,280
so that being said i want to go

1748
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:10,719
uh immediately to uh something

1749
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:12,880
that again i just learned about uh when

1750
01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:14,960
i uh read the book

1751
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:18,320
and that is the lights were seen a few

1752
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:19,440
days

1753
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:22,480
uh leading up to this it didn't start

1754
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:25,040
with john burroughs and jim peniston

1755
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:26,880
no no it didn't no there'd been several

1756
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:32,790
john says he didn't hear anything about

1757
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:33,920
these sightings well

1758
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:35,120
you wouldn't if you're trying to keep

1759
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:36,960
your mind sharp but yeah there were

1760
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:38,320
several sightings and

1761
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:40,480
not only just at woodbridge and bent

1762
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:42,080
waters and rendelsham

1763
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:44,159
but up and down the coast as well near

1764
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:46,000
to where i lived in gullston

1765
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:48,239
there was an orb scene to be coming out

1766
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:49,199
of the sea

1767
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:50,719
there were some orbs seemed to be

1768
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:52,320
traveling and coming

1769
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:55,360
coming close to the beach and hovering

1770
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:56,880
and then shooting along the coast

1771
01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:59,199
towards wendelstrom there was lots of

1772
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:01,120
activity going on

1773
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:05,679
and what uh the way that you compile

1774
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:07,840
this information uh which we're gonna

1775
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:09,360
start to get into

1776
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:11,600
um you as a researcher and you're

1777
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:12,719
starting to uh

1778
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,320
put all of this together uh you did go

1779
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:18,400
backwards in time you didn't stay right

1780
01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:19,760
there with the witnesses

1781
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:23,280
uh through the 26th through new year's

1782
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:25,280
it was everything else in the other

1783
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:26,880
activity that was going on

1784
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:29,600
and a lot of civilian sightings what was

1785
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:31,440
going through your mind as you started

1786
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:32,320
to

1787
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:36,159
all is connected

1788
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:39,760
isn't it that is and um

1789
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,880
when this really when all the the

1790
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:44,320
sightings before

1791
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:48,000
1980 really hit home was brenda butler

1792
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:49,520
i'm sure you've heard of her she was one

1793
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:51,440
of the authors in sky crash

1794
01:13:54,790 --> 01:13:53,040
she lives down at least in just a

1795
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:54,800
stone's throw in fact she

1796
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:58,480
is mrs rendlesham she invited me to go

1797
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:58,880
through

1798
01:14:01,910 --> 01:14:01,120
all our papers no restrictions

1799
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:01,920
everything

1800
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:04,719
and what i found amongst them papers was

1801
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:06,480
absolutely blew me away

1802
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:08,080
so this isn't something that just

1803
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:09,920
started in 1980

1804
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:12,800
that had been going on for years before

1805
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:13,280
now

1806
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:16,320
um and one other thing uh

1807
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:17,840
so everybody can wrap their head around

1808
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:19,679
this the

1809
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:23,120
the details in your timeline um

1810
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:24,960
yeah and i and i brought this up with

1811
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:27,120
john and james last week on the show i'm

1812
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:28,560
sure you were listening

1813
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:31,360
um in that we're all familiar with

1814
01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:32,960
peniston and halt and and

1815
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:35,120
larry warren and and of course john

1816
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:36,480
burroughs and

1817
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:42,790
we we know these names you read your

1818
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:43,679
timeline

1819
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:47,840
and now you find out that it's not

1820
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:50,719
those five six seven guys it's not a

1821
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:52,159
dozen

1822
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:55,280
it's 50 maybe a hundred

1823
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:58,560
different individuals um are involved in

1824
01:15:02,790 --> 01:14:59,600
this timeline

1825
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:02,800
it was an extraordinarily complex

1826
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:06,880
uh situation involving a lot of people

1827
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:08,400
yeah there was there's a lot of people

1828
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:10,480
involved and there's an awful lot of

1829
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:11,520
people jimmy

1830
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:14,239
who for various reasons don't want to

1831
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:15,199
come forward

1832
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:18,480
but i'm i'm proud to say that a lot of

1833
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:19,840
them and my friends

1834
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:22,080
not just through facebook but over the

1835
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:24,400
years and they've told me information

1836
01:15:27,750 --> 01:15:25,440
and they will say

1837
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:27,760
please don't drop my name because they

1838
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:28,800
are still working

1839
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:31,840
and most most military policemen

1840
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:34,400
end up their careers doing other um

1841
01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:35,280
government

1842
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:37,600
jobs you know as policemen and they

1843
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:39,040
don't want to be named but

1844
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:42,800
i'm i'm happy to say that i've been able

1845
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:44,239
to reach out to a lot of them

1846
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:46,400
to help me compile the timeline the

1847
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:47,840
timeline is not mine

1848
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:50,880
belongs to the previous researchers and

1849
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:51,520
also

1850
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:54,480
the sps and airman's who are involved

1851
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:55,360
and and that's

1852
01:16:02,070 --> 01:15:58,640
that's the point did you have

1853
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:02,080
like a giant wall right with all this

1854
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:03,280
information

1855
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:05,440
and your you know thumb tacks and

1856
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:06,880
strings

1857
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:09,920
uh you know i i don't know how you how

1858
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:10,560
you got it

1859
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:14,000
all together no i don't and that's all

1860
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:14,880
in my head

1861
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:17,520
that's all in your head so right now all

1862
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:19,280
of my questions you don't have to refer

1863
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:20,320
to notes

1864
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:22,800
absolutely not that's what i'm saying

1865
01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:24,080
yeah i would um

1866
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:26,560
i would debate rendlesham with anyone

1867
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:27,760
face to face

1868
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:30,719
new computers or books or anything and

1869
01:16:34,709 --> 01:16:31,840
we'll see where it goes

1870
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:34,719
yeah okay so let's let's start right uh

1871
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:36,000
right here

1872
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:39,600
um and that is uh

1873
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:43,199
the kid on his motorcycle

1874
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:46,239
right and this is uh it's about nine

1875
01:16:50,550 --> 01:16:47,520
o'clock at night

1876
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:50,560
uh or thereabouts he's 17 years old

1877
01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:53,440
and that that for me is where the action

1878
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:55,760
starts what happened

1879
01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:58,080
well he saw a craft over over to what we

1880
01:17:02,390 --> 01:16:59,679
call capital green now

1881
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:02,400
and he was on his way home and he saw it

1882
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:03,199
and

1883
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:05,040
we didn't take it any further than that

1884
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:06,560
but he knew he'd seen

1885
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:09,520
uh nuts and bolts craft and who did he

1886
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:11,120
report it to

1887
01:17:15,830 --> 01:17:13,920
i think to his parents and i said and

1888
01:17:17,110 --> 01:17:15,840
didn't he describe it as being a

1889
01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:17,120
triangle

1890
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:20,320
sightings

1891
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:23,360
um prior to um the wrench and forest

1892
01:17:27,669 --> 01:17:24,400
incident

1893
01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:27,679
and woodbridge

1894
01:17:31,990 --> 01:17:29,920
probably played home to some

1895
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:32,000
experimental craft being landed

1896
01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:34,719
because on several occasions um the

1897
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:36,560
visitors to the base in the

1898
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:39,840
rod and gun club or the um officers

1899
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:43,679
all ranks club were told under guard

1900
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:45,920
you're not moving you wait until you say

1901
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:46,960
you can go

1902
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:49,840
now how far is uh capo green uh from

1903
01:17:55,189 --> 01:17:51,920
rendelsham forest proper

1904
01:17:57,350 --> 01:17:55,199
i think that is in reynoldson forest is

1905
01:17:59,590 --> 01:17:57,360
a massive expansive forest

1906
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:59,600
where the satans took place at the end

1907
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:00,960
at the east of the

1908
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:04,159
east gate road is tangent woods

1909
01:18:09,189 --> 01:18:07,040
right okay and and so that's what i'm

1910
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:09,199
bringing up here so in relation to

1911
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:10,640
where burroughs and and panasonic

1912
01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:12,719
panasonin halt ended up

1913
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:16,159
uh where was this craft uh uh

1914
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:18,239
with uh the 17 year old kid on his

1915
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:19,760
motorcycle

1916
01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:21,760
well he was on the road that runs past

1917
01:18:26,229 --> 01:18:23,120
the um

1918
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:26,239
to the east of cabell green

1919
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:29,040
well just farmers the farmer's field

1920
01:18:32,709 --> 01:18:30,880
capital green isn't actually that field

1921
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:32,719
that don't matter let's not go into that

1922
01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:35,040
and the road that runs past in between

1923
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:35,920
butley

1924
01:18:39,669 --> 01:18:38,800
abbey and that field that people call

1925
01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:39,679
capital green

1926
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:42,640
is where he saw it on that corner yeah

1927
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:44,880
i'm just looking at everything on the

1928
01:18:49,110 --> 01:18:45,920
map here

1929
01:18:50,790 --> 01:18:49,120
and it's just fascinating to me there's

1930
01:18:52,470 --> 01:18:50,800
there's another part to this and for

1931
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:52,480
everybody that is going

1932
01:18:56,229 --> 01:18:55,440
over uh to google earth to look at this

1933
01:19:02,470 --> 01:18:56,239
everything

1934
01:19:03,430 --> 01:19:02,480
is farmland and forest right there

1935
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:03,440
there's some houses

1936
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:07,120
there's a few roads but that's basically

1937
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:08,800
the area that we're talking about all

1938
01:19:13,030 --> 01:19:09,840
the way to the sea

1939
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:13,040
right well east of capital green there's

1940
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:13,920
no um

1941
01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:16,560
forest that's well a little bit to the

1942
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:18,320
right but just a little bit of

1943
01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:21,679
trees but the forest ends um

1944
01:19:27,910 --> 01:19:24,800
to to the east of um

1945
01:19:31,750 --> 01:19:27,920
the the the final part of the forest is

1946
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:31,760
on the west side of capital green field

1947
01:19:35,350 --> 01:19:33,600
right right right right right right

1948
01:19:38,950 --> 01:19:35,360
right right um

1949
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:38,960
okay so later that night

1950
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:44,000
the suffolk police uh get involved

1951
01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:47,600
yeah they did yeah and now this is all

1952
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,560
before

1953
01:19:52,790 --> 01:19:50,400
everything kicks off in reynoldshime

1954
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:52,800
forest

1955
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:57,510
no the suffolk police didn't get

1956
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:00,640
involved until um

1957
01:20:07,910 --> 01:20:04,159
about 3 a.m the following day oh yeah

1958
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:07,920
okay but yes see you know too much

1959
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:11,280
but this is on uh the same evening

1960
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:13,600
going into this is the evening of the

1961
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:15,760
26th

1962
01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:18,400
where uh the constables brophy and king

1963
01:20:22,149 --> 01:20:19,120
were at the law

1964
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:22,159
uh enforcement uh they were

1965
01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:25,120
over at raf bent waters when the airmen

1966
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:25,440
uh

1967
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:28,159
started to report these lights no that

1968
01:20:34,149 --> 01:20:28,960
wasn't then

1969
01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:34,159
um jimmy that was like on the last night

1970
01:20:37,990 --> 01:20:37,600
okay uh now see even i uh i'm i'm

1971
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:38,000
getting

1972
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,960
uh a little bit confused yeah well i'm

1973
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:42,239
not surprised because it's very

1974
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:43,199
confusing

1975
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:46,320
but what happened after um

1976
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:49,520
john burroughs and edgar bansack

1977
01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:53,199
and um jim peniston had their satan

1978
01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:55,280
in the morning the police were were

1979
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:56,320
informed

1980
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:59,120
and they came out the next day and

1981
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:00,880
they've done an investigation of the

1982
01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:02,400
site they weren't just

1983
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:04,480
involved once they had a look at the

1984
01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:06,400
site they weren't very impressed

1985
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:09,280
they went away a little later in the day

1986
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:10,000
after

1987
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:13,440
um john and jim had gone back that they

1988
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:16,560
and also the um officers

1989
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:20,159
went back they were told that they'd

1990
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:21,920
found a landing site where they thought

1991
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:22,480
a

1992
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:44,000
through this

1993
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:47,360
i thought that before penniston

1994
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:49,199
and burroughs went into the forest that

1995
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:52,080
night that there were reports going into

1996
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:54,320
the suffolk uh police station that that

1997
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:55,760
did not happen

1998
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:59,440
no absolutely not the the first um

1999
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:00,800
time that the suffolk police were

2000
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:02,800
involved and nick red

2001
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:05,600
fern found this out uh you know nick

2002
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:07,199
redfearn this show has been on your show

2003
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:07,840
yeah

2004
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:10,800
he and sent a freedom of information

2005
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:12,639
request to the suffolk police

2006
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:15,600
and he found out that they um received a

2007
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:16,719
call on the

2008
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:20,320
the 27th and the 28th so who had been

2009
01:22:24,229 --> 01:22:20,800
earlier

2010
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:24,239
them on the 28th and 3

2011
01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:27,040
30 or something a.m and they said that

2012
01:22:31,189 --> 01:22:28,080
they were taking

2013
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:31,199
um you know that they'd seen something

2014
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:32,880
out there and they requested them to go

2015
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:33,440
out

2016
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:37,600
right okay so um and and the other

2017
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:39,840
uh is the lighthouse still there by the

2018
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:40,800
way no it's

2019
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:43,520
only just the last month jimmy has been

2020
01:22:47,590 --> 01:22:44,400
dismantled

2021
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:47,600
yeah yeah i've tried to find it and uh

2022
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:50,800
it it is it's not there now um

2023
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:54,320
but uh also at nine o'clock uh

2024
01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:56,400
that first night uh before penicillin

2025
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:57,600
and burroughs went in the woods

2026
01:23:00,790 --> 01:23:00,000
there was a meteor shower right wasn't

2027
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:00,800
it there was

2028
01:23:06,149 --> 01:23:03,840
meteor activity that was going on

2029
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:06,159
yeah there was and also there was um

2030
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:07,920
there was lots of lights in the sky over

2031
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:10,480
southeast england and that was the

2032
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:12,960
rocket stage of a satellite that was

2033
01:23:16,629 --> 01:23:14,560
breaking up

2034
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:16,639
all of this on the same night on the

2035
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:17,679
same night and

2036
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:21,040
and so were reports coming in

2037
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:24,560
uh about that and there was also uh

2038
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:27,120
uh reports of again i want you to

2039
01:23:32,709 --> 01:23:29,600
refresh my memory before we get into uh

2040
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,719
the real details here did something

2041
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:35,040
uh in and around that lighthouse did

2042
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:37,600
something crash into the sea

2043
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:39,520
yeah there was reports that something no

2044
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:41,199
not crash into the sea

2045
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:44,320
and left from the sea oh it it

2046
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:47,280
it came out of the water out of the sea

2047
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:48,560
yeah

2048
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:52,719
wow okay so um

2049
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:55,840
then everything obviously uh kicks off

2050
01:24:02,229 --> 01:23:59,040
and uh the

2051
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:02,239
the calls come in about uh these lights

2052
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:03,199
in the forest

2053
01:24:06,629 --> 01:24:05,520
do you have any idea who made those

2054
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:06,639
first calls

2055
01:24:12,390 --> 01:24:09,120
uh before peniston and and burroughs

2056
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:15,030
no but there was and that john didn't

2057
01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:16,960
find out until years later

2058
01:24:20,629 --> 01:24:18,719
that's something that happened earlier

2059
01:24:21,669 --> 01:24:20,639
on in the shift and i think it was tim

2060
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:21,679
medjuric

2061
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:24,800
and one of the sps and he'd said that

2062
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:27,520
on change over the shifts that he'd

2063
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:28,320
heard

2064
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:30,639
um that something was going off there

2065
01:24:35,350 --> 01:24:32,320
there but there had been sightings

2066
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:35,360
of strange lights now uh

2067
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:38,480
one of the names uh that many are are

2068
01:24:43,030 --> 01:24:39,520
probably

2069
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:43,040
not familiar with is is bud steffens

2070
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:46,639
yeah and tell us about bud

2071
01:24:50,310 --> 01:24:49,520
and and who was he how long was he on

2072
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:50,320
the base

2073
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:53,600
uh before uh everything kicked off

2074
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:55,600
well i'm not sure how long he'd been on

2075
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:57,760
the base but he was john's supervisor on

2076
01:25:01,510 --> 01:24:58,639
the evening

2077
01:25:02,709 --> 01:25:01,520
so he was the superior ranked to john

2078
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:02,719
and um

2079
01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:04,400
christmas time things were a little bit

2080
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:05,920
more relaxed but

2081
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:10,080
he asked john if he would like to

2082
01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:12,400
travel around him to do his rounds to

2083
01:25:16,149 --> 01:25:13,760
get to know him better about

2084
01:25:17,430 --> 01:25:16,159
since then and through john i've found

2085
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:17,440
that there's a little bit more to that

2086
01:25:22,229 --> 01:25:19,199
story than meets the eye

2087
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:22,239
and and what is that well

2088
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:25,600
the um afosi the air force

2089
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:28,000
offers a special investigation where

2090
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:30,000
there was a problem on bent warts and

2091
01:25:33,510 --> 01:25:32,000
would bridge with drugs no two ways

2092
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:33,520
about it there was

2093
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:35,600
there was a lot of drugs being peddled

2094
01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:37,120
and there was a lot of drugs coming in

2095
01:25:39,510 --> 01:25:37,840
and now

2096
01:25:42,070 --> 01:25:39,520
and we've got remember this is in the

2097
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:42,080
time of the cold war and also

2098
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:44,080
there was a problem with the ira so that

2099
01:25:48,149 --> 01:25:45,679
was high on the priory

2100
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:48,159
the afosi they were staked out that

2101
01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:48,800
night

2102
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:52,960
and um you'll have to ask john

2103
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:56,480
but i believe that stefan's picked up

2104
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:59,199
john to keep him out of the way because

2105
01:26:02,709 --> 01:26:00,000
john was

2106
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:02,719
no man's phil you know he was a proper

2107
01:26:05,669 --> 01:26:03,280
cop

2108
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:05,679
if you was out of line and you was doing

2109
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:07,520
something wrong

2110
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:09,520
you're going to get your ass kicked so

2111
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:11,120
maybe maybe that's why

2112
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:13,199
well you seen the size of john yes he's

2113
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:14,480
a big boy

2114
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:16,320
no one in their right mind is going to

2115
01:26:21,189 --> 01:26:17,840
argue with john so

2116
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:21,199
maybe stefan's picked him up to get him

2117
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:23,040
out of the way not to get to know him

2118
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:24,239
better

2119
01:26:28,950 --> 01:26:27,520
i got you i got you now um

2120
01:26:30,790 --> 01:26:28,960
i brought this up we're gonna head

2121
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:30,800
towards a break uh i brought this up

2122
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:32,000
with uh john

2123
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:35,199
last week um which is this there

2124
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:39,120
is a three-hour discrepancy

2125
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:41,840
uh that is happening here peniston says

2126
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:44,159
everything kicked off at around midnight

2127
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:47,040
yeah um burrow seems to think it was

2128
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:47,520
around

2129
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:50,800
3 00 a.m there were other reports that

2130
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:51,760
it was actually

2131
01:26:55,910 --> 01:26:54,320
2 a.m and a lot of people said that they

2132
01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:55,920
remember it being

2133
01:27:02,950 --> 01:26:59,600
a 2 a.m where do we stand on this

2134
01:27:05,669 --> 01:27:02,960
okay so jim um seems to

2135
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:05,679
remember as being just after midnight

2136
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:06,719
john said

2137
01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:10,800
three o'clock i asked people who i know

2138
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:13,280
who were not in the firing line but

2139
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:15,520
listening to the radio chat

2140
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:19,280
and on that night and um

2141
01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:20,800
they're people who don't want to come

2142
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:22,480
forward with the information but after

2143
01:27:28,310 --> 01:27:23,440
honor they

2144
01:27:34,629 --> 01:27:32,070
anonymous and they told me that

2145
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:34,639
judging by how much they had to do up

2146
01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:35,920
until that time

2147
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:39,760
that had to be at least 2 a.m now

2148
01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:42,960
my i think my point in this

2149
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:45,199
is that this was a very significant

2150
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:46,400
event

2151
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:49,760
uh emotionally psychologically uh very

2152
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:51,760
traumatic for all of them

2153
01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:54,239
and i think there's some missing time

2154
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:55,120
here

2155
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:57,280
i i think everybody just remembers it

2156
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:58,400
the way that they do

2157
01:28:02,470 --> 01:28:00,880
because that's what's in their brain i

2158
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:02,480
don't think it was a mistake

2159
01:28:05,750 --> 01:28:04,159
right that's what i'm that's why i want

2160
01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:05,760
to drive this point home

2161
01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:07,600
yeah i don't believe anyone jimmy is

2162
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:09,360
making a mistake

2163
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:11,440
you know i believe that whatever they

2164
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:13,760
believe is the truth

2165
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:16,400
but there was definitely maybe

2166
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:18,080
definitely maybe

2167
01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:21,520
contradiction in terms but um

2168
01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:27,669
maybe there was something happening with

2169
01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:29,120
the time

2170
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:31,840
you know i don't know how to describe it

2171
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:32,719
better than that

2172
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:35,760
um we were experimenting with an awful

2173
01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:37,440
lot of things off the east coast at the

2174
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:38,080
time

2175
01:28:47,669 --> 01:28:44,320
i do and uh you know 12

2176
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:47,679
12 midnight and 3 a.m that's that's two

2177
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:50,880
different memories that are going on

2178
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:51,360
here

2179
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:53,040
and and i think that they're both

2180
01:28:57,350 --> 01:28:55,440
correct memories

2181
01:28:58,470 --> 01:28:57,360
right yeah i'm sure i'm sure everyone

2182
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:58,480
involved

2183
01:29:02,629 --> 01:29:00,000
and what they're saying is what they

2184
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:02,639
believe right i'm sure that everyone

2185
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:05,920
even with them if you took into account

2186
01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:07,440
that their memories are different

2187
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:09,360
if they were to have a polygraph test

2188
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:12,239
that passed because they believe

2189
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:15,199
that's what happened now um all of this

2190
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:16,239
information

2191
01:29:19,270 --> 01:29:18,960
uh which i think is very important uh

2192
01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:19,280
but

2193
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:21,040
we're gonna mention this and we're gonna

2194
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:22,560
follow up when we come back from the

2195
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:23,440
break

2196
01:29:28,629 --> 01:29:26,880
but it was bud stefan's that saw the

2197
01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:28,639
lights first

2198
01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:30,880
absolutely yeah john john and bud were

2199
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:32,480
driving up towards us gate

2200
01:29:36,390 --> 01:29:35,040
that was just a bar gate with a

2201
01:29:38,229 --> 01:29:36,400
combination lock

2202
01:29:39,669 --> 01:29:38,239
and because that was a cut through

2203
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:39,679
between the bases

2204
01:29:43,590 --> 01:29:41,520
lots of people knew the combination

2205
01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:43,600
sometimes that would be left

2206
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:45,840
um insecure so that was one of the

2207
01:29:50,149 --> 01:29:47,120
places i used to go

2208
01:29:51,189 --> 01:29:50,159
so as bad and john drove up to her bud

2209
01:29:54,149 --> 01:29:51,199
was the first person

2210
01:29:54,870 --> 01:29:54,159
person to say and he sees something come

2211
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:54,880
down

2212
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:58,080
into the woods just east of the eastgate

2213
01:30:00,790 --> 01:29:58,800
road

2214
01:30:02,390 --> 01:30:00,800
let's take our break right here this is

2215
01:30:03,270 --> 01:30:02,400
fade to black i'm yours jimmy church i

2216
01:30:06,629 --> 01:30:03,280
guess tonight

2217
01:30:09,669 --> 01:30:06,639
live from the uk ronnie dugdale

2218
01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:09,679
see even my memory is a little foggy

2219
01:30:13,189 --> 01:30:11,520
got a lot to talk about tonight more

2220
01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:13,199
when we come back after this short break

2221
01:30:20,510 --> 01:30:14,719
this is fade to black i'm yours jimmy

2222
01:30:33,350 --> 01:30:20,520
church stay with us

2223
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:36,550
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2224
01:30:41,430 --> 01:30:39,600
you're listening to fade to black

2225
01:30:42,629 --> 01:30:41,440
always on the edge of the hottest

2226
01:30:46,830 --> 01:30:42,639
alternative talk

2227
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:50,060
kgraradio.com

2228
01:30:50,070 --> 01:31:01,430
[Applause]

2229
01:31:05,590 --> 01:31:03,590
do you want to be an official fate or

2230
01:31:07,590 --> 01:31:05,600
not of course you do

2231
01:31:10,669 --> 01:31:07,600
this is jimmy church of fade to black

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where everything starts to kick off here

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and um bud stefan's

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uh once again ronnie i want to uh uh let

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everybody know

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he's a name that people don't uh

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associate or know much about when it

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comes to rendleshim

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but he saw the lights first didn't he he

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did and um

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he was john's supervisor that night and

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um probably

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why his name never comes up is because

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um after they saw the lights in the

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forest for the first time from the gate

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they went and john john and bud went

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down to

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uh drove down and um unlocked the gate

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drove down his gate road and they

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saw lights in the forest and the there

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was a big

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white light and there was other colored

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lights around that the big white light

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moved towards him and at that john and

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bud took off

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went back to the escape route and called

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it in and i think that frightened bad

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enough

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not to want to know anything about it

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maybe

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about the um drugs they gave and thought

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maybe that was something to do with the

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osi

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and so we weren't going to get involved

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anyway we don't know now

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from eastgate road i know you've been

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there many times you know the area

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you live near there um

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was it the lighthouse i mean i want your

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opinion

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jimmy from the eastgate road even when i

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had a stronger light bulb than what it

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did in the last few years

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that would appear like a star on the

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horizon

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it was six miles away six point three

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miles away from the east gate

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there now um i don't know because i've

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never been down there

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in them days but they told me that if

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you stood in a certain part of the

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forest

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you could see like a sweep of light or a

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blink of light

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somewhere but there was a shield at the

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back of the

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lighthouse stopping the light shut i

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mean you don't need a lighthouse

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shining onto the land so there was a

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metal shield

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but that could be seen as like a blink

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and then nothing

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and blink then nothing but that was not

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the lighthouse

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and uh what happens

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uh next here um uh

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stefan's and and burrows they hightail

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it to

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to the gate because there was a guard

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house there right and there's an actual

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landline yeah so so anyway um

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bad and john went down to the bottom of

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the road and observed the lights

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and didn't like what they were feeling

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and seeing

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the hairs on their arms were standing up

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and they got this

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this white light moved towards them as

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if mirroring their

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um movements so they turned around and

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shot back to the eastgate road which is

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a few hundred yards

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and because in them days jimmy a lot of

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people used to listening

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on the cb radios to listen to the chat

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so they were told if anything ever

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happened like that they were to use the

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landline

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rings um

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the um security desk

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and tells them i think it was david

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coffee

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on the cigarette desk and done that and

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told them

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that there was some weird lights going

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off and they didn't like what they were

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seeing

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and he thought that was john missing

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about because john was a practical joker

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and being christmas they were expecting

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something but

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when he handed the phone over to

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and bud stefan's and bud steffens told

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him exactly what he had said

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01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:33,520
he realized there was something else he

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still didn't quite believe him so he

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said he'd put a call through

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to the central security control knowing

2450
01:39:42,790 --> 01:39:40,239
that if he'd done that

2451
01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:42,800
john would go whoa that's enough you

2452
01:39:46,709 --> 01:39:45,119
know it's just a christmas prank

2453
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:46,719
but he didn't and then he knew there was

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01:39:50,229 --> 01:39:48,320
something serious going on

2455
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:50,239
and so then he got in contact with jim

2456
01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:51,360
peniston

2457
01:39:58,229 --> 01:39:55,119
flight chief that night

2458
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:58,239
and he um said what's going on what you

2459
01:40:02,149 --> 01:40:00,320
know what was the nature of the call

2460
01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:02,159
and they said we'd rather you didn't

2461
01:40:05,350 --> 01:40:04,400
know you need to run the view down to

2462
01:40:08,470 --> 01:40:05,360
the east gate

2463
01:40:11,430 --> 01:40:08,480
and speak to um and staff sergeant

2464
01:40:12,390 --> 01:40:11,440
bud steffens and emman first class class

2465
01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:12,400
john burroughs

2466
01:40:16,709 --> 01:40:13,920
and they will fill you in and that's

2467
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:16,719
what happened and peniston made his way

2468
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:19,360
ed cabanzo was very new to the base i

2469
01:40:22,470 --> 01:40:20,880
think that was either his first or

2470
01:40:24,629 --> 01:40:22,480
second night on flight

2471
01:40:27,030 --> 01:40:24,639
and he was the member he was the driver

2472
01:40:28,870 --> 01:40:27,040
that night driven down to the east gate

2473
01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:28,880
and then the conversation started what

2474
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:31,360
have you seen i think um

2475
01:40:35,430 --> 01:40:33,360
i think bud stefan said if you don't

2476
01:40:37,270 --> 01:40:35,440
believe me you need to come down here

2477
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:37,280
because the lights are still visible

2478
01:40:44,070 --> 01:40:41,040
now um and and cabin sag uh

2479
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:44,080
he was peniston's driver right

2480
01:40:49,750 --> 01:40:47,199
uh uh peniston uh he's

2481
01:40:51,109 --> 01:40:49,760
he's got rank but he's also got security

2482
01:40:53,990 --> 01:40:51,119
clearances

2483
01:40:55,590 --> 01:40:54,000
um you know he had his position cabin

2484
01:40:58,870 --> 01:40:55,600
sag

2485
01:41:01,669 --> 01:40:58,880
he is introduced to all of this because

2486
01:41:04,629 --> 01:41:01,679
he was panistan's driver

2487
01:41:06,629 --> 01:41:04,639
absolutely quebec and kabanshak was

2488
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:06,639
absolutely new to the base

2489
01:41:10,470 --> 01:41:08,880
he just come out of school joined the

2490
01:41:13,750 --> 01:41:10,480
base and there he is

2491
01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:13,760
he's involved with the full-blown ufo

2492
01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:17,040
situation now when he thought he thought

2493
01:41:19,830 --> 01:41:19,440
that was um a fraternity prank that's

2494
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:19,840
right

2495
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:22,000
because yeah he thought because he was

2496
01:41:25,030 --> 01:41:23,600
new they were going to get him down

2497
01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:25,040
there throw him in the puddle

2498
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:27,840
you know ha ha yeah some hazing he

2499
01:41:33,030 --> 01:41:29,440
thought it was hazing

2500
01:41:36,070 --> 01:41:33,040
yeah yeah and uh so cabin sag

2501
01:41:39,750 --> 01:41:36,080
driving uh him and peniston pull up

2502
01:41:43,030 --> 01:41:39,760
to eastgate what happens next

2503
01:41:46,070 --> 01:41:43,040
um bob stephens goes over and speaks to

2504
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:46,080
um jim and and and

2505
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:48,400
jim says what happened you know is that

2506
01:41:52,229 --> 01:41:50,080
an aircraft crash and he said didn't

2507
01:41:54,950 --> 01:41:52,239
crash it landed

2508
01:41:56,870 --> 01:41:54,960
now uh um uh one other thing uh really

2509
01:41:59,990 --> 01:41:56,880
quick i just want to get this in

2510
01:42:03,270 --> 01:42:00,000
it's uh this is the holiday season the

2511
01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:03,280
base is slowing down on its activity

2512
01:42:07,910 --> 01:42:05,520
so there wasn't a whole lot of aircraft

2513
01:42:08,790 --> 01:42:07,920
arriving or taking off at the bases were

2514
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:08,800
there

2515
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:12,400
yeah so

2516
01:42:17,510 --> 01:42:15,760
um what was going on now let's get off

2517
01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:17,520
the base for a second

2518
01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:21,280
um what was going on say over at

2519
01:42:27,830 --> 01:42:24,800
at watton or or heathrow

2520
01:42:30,550 --> 01:42:27,840
okay so when um and we've got skipped

2521
01:42:33,590 --> 01:42:30,560
forward a bit when jim peniston gets on

2522
01:42:36,070 --> 01:42:33,600
the um landline and says that he he

2523
01:42:37,030 --> 01:42:36,080
he feels he needs to do an investigation

2524
01:42:39,750 --> 01:42:37,040
and so then

2525
01:42:40,870 --> 01:42:39,760
the central security control contacted

2526
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:40,880
rf1

2527
01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:44,080
and um i think it was heathrow

2528
01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:47,280
and they said yes they did track a bogey

2529
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:51,600
and that went off their um this

2530
01:42:55,109 --> 01:42:53,360
what'd you call up they went off their

2531
01:42:59,189 --> 01:42:55,119
radar um

2532
01:43:02,470 --> 01:42:59,199
scans just over heath uh over

2533
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:02,480
woodbridge so they tracked him

2534
01:43:08,709 --> 01:43:05,520
uh to rendelsham absolutely now

2535
01:43:11,830 --> 01:43:08,719
how how significant in all of this how

2536
01:43:15,350 --> 01:43:11,840
significant is this point

2537
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:15,360
um well if i had not been for that

2538
01:43:18,870 --> 01:43:17,840
jim would never got the clearance to go

2539
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:18,880
off base

2540
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:22,560
right and so now i i mean

2541
01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:25,520
i i think for myself looking into this

2542
01:43:30,790 --> 01:43:27,119
this goes from

2543
01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:30,800
the possibility of the lighthouse or

2544
01:43:34,950 --> 01:43:33,280
something else that you know it's just

2545
01:43:37,270 --> 01:43:34,960
not that big of a deal

2546
01:43:38,070 --> 01:43:37,280
to you've got the lights in the forest

2547
01:43:41,669 --> 01:43:38,080
you've got

2548
01:43:43,510 --> 01:43:41,679
uh reports uh coming from stefan's of

2549
01:43:44,149 --> 01:43:43,520
something going into the force and we've

2550
01:43:46,870 --> 01:43:44,159
also got

2551
01:43:48,149 --> 01:43:46,880
now radar tracks coming from another

2552
01:43:51,350 --> 01:43:48,159
royal air force base

2553
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:51,360
watan and and london's heathrow so now

2554
01:43:56,790 --> 01:43:53,920
you can start to connect the dots here

2555
01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:56,800
um absolutely like i said if it weren't

2556
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:57,280
for that

2557
01:44:00,629 --> 01:43:58,560
they would never have been allowed to go

2558
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:00,639
off base now uh

2559
01:44:03,830 --> 01:44:03,360
what was stefan's attitude at this point

2560
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:03,840
and was

2561
01:44:09,189 --> 01:44:07,440
everybody stable or were they starting

2562
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:09,199
to freak out

2563
01:44:14,470 --> 01:44:12,480
nope bud stefan's was not going to go

2564
01:44:15,510 --> 01:44:14,480
back in that forest if you paid him a

2565
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:15,520
million pound

2566
01:44:19,270 --> 01:44:17,679
he was terrified whether that was

2567
01:44:19,990 --> 01:44:19,280
because of what people had told him

2568
01:44:22,550 --> 01:44:20,000
before about

2569
01:44:23,109 --> 01:44:22,560
lights and there'd been reports around

2570
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:23,119
the um

2571
01:44:27,109 --> 01:44:25,440
bases before then about these mysterious

2572
01:44:28,629 --> 01:44:27,119
lights or whether that was what he

2573
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:28,639
encountered when he got to the bottom of

2574
01:44:33,109 --> 01:44:30,480
the escape road with john

2575
01:44:34,950 --> 01:44:33,119
and the white light came towards him he

2576
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:34,960
was not going to go off that base he

2577
01:44:40,310 --> 01:44:36,239
refused

2578
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:40,320
so that's why it was cabin sag

2579
01:44:48,790 --> 01:44:44,320
aniston and burrows it was it wasn't

2580
01:44:52,629 --> 01:44:48,800
four it was three yes

2581
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:52,639
so i i i'm with bud

2582
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:56,480
right me too yeah i'm i'm with bud

2583
01:44:59,750 --> 01:44:58,400
i i'll i'll stay on this side of the

2584
01:45:02,629 --> 01:44:59,760
fence

2585
01:45:04,390 --> 01:45:02,639
and uh and and you guys report back to

2586
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:04,400
me but that's basically what happened

2587
01:45:07,669 --> 01:45:06,960
so bud stefan stays back and it was

2588
01:45:11,189 --> 01:45:07,679
peniston

2589
01:45:13,990 --> 01:45:11,199
cabin sag and and burrows that

2590
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:14,000
that chose to go into the woods well i

2591
01:45:18,310 --> 01:45:16,080
don't think anyone chose i think um jim

2592
01:45:21,430 --> 01:45:18,320
peniston being the commanding officer

2593
01:45:23,750 --> 01:45:21,440
told him you're gonna get it okay okay

2594
01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:23,760
okay semantics but you understand my

2595
01:45:27,830 --> 01:45:25,440
point

2596
01:45:29,270 --> 01:45:27,840
it could have been four but it instead

2597
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:29,280
it was three

2598
01:45:32,070 --> 01:45:30,880
yeah and i think john was up for it

2599
01:45:35,109 --> 01:45:32,080
anyway

2600
01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:35,119
[Laughter]

2601
01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:38,320
well see i keep bringing this up but

2602
01:45:44,149 --> 01:45:39,840
i'll say it again

2603
01:45:47,030 --> 01:45:44,159
uh burroughs is like six foot eight

2604
01:45:47,669 --> 01:45:47,040
and and back then not a serious six foot

2605
01:45:49,990 --> 01:45:47,679
eight not an

2606
01:45:51,510 --> 01:45:50,000
exaggerated six foot eight he's a big

2607
01:45:54,550 --> 01:45:51,520
guy and back then

2608
01:45:58,310 --> 01:45:54,560
he's young he's in shape and

2609
01:46:01,189 --> 01:45:58,320
and and and a bit crazy so yeah i'm sure

2610
01:46:02,390 --> 01:46:01,199
he was he was he was he was willing to

2611
01:46:04,550 --> 01:46:02,400
go into uh

2612
01:46:05,910 --> 01:46:04,560
uh the force no doubt he would accept

2613
01:46:08,629 --> 01:46:05,920
the orders

2614
01:46:10,629 --> 01:46:08,639
jimmy he had the reputation of being a a

2615
01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:10,639
strict cop

2616
01:46:15,990 --> 01:46:13,760
if he was breaking the law you better

2617
01:46:18,229 --> 01:46:16,000
watch him

2618
01:46:20,229 --> 01:46:18,239
he's uh he's kind of intimidating like

2619
01:46:21,109 --> 01:46:20,239
that uh today too as well he's just a

2620
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:21,119
big guy

2621
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:23,440
and you need to i i the first time you

2622
01:46:27,109 --> 01:46:24,480
meet or see

2623
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:27,119
uh john burroughs you're not expecting

2624
01:46:29,590 --> 01:46:28,000
that

2625
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:29,600
and we keep talking about it but you're

2626
01:46:32,790 --> 01:46:31,199
not expecting it he is

2627
01:46:34,229 --> 01:46:32,800
he's been the tallest man in the room

2628
01:46:37,350 --> 01:46:34,239
his entire life he's

2629
01:46:42,470 --> 01:46:37,360
he's just a he's just a big guy um

2630
01:46:46,070 --> 01:46:44,149
i want to talk about cabin sag for a

2631
01:46:49,990 --> 01:46:46,080
moment because we talk about burrows

2632
01:46:52,870 --> 01:46:50,000
and and jim so much uh in all of this

2633
01:46:55,430 --> 01:46:52,880
um have you had a chance to uh to sit

2634
01:46:58,870 --> 01:46:55,440
down and talk with ed

2635
01:47:02,149 --> 01:46:58,880
no i haven't but i've had um

2636
01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:02,159
i have a contact who's in

2637
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:05,920
close contact with cab cab

2638
01:47:10,629 --> 01:47:08,880
for various reasons doesn't want to be

2639
01:47:13,669 --> 01:47:10,639
involved in this anymore

2640
01:47:14,629 --> 01:47:13,679
and i think that stems back to he done

2641
01:47:17,430 --> 01:47:14,639
um

2642
01:47:17,830 --> 01:47:17,440
a couple of interviews one of them was

2643
01:47:24,950 --> 01:47:17,840
with

2644
01:47:27,669 --> 01:47:24,960
fox who's on the show last week

2645
01:47:29,109 --> 01:47:27,679
with um um whatever that was called out

2646
01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:29,119
in the blue or something

2647
01:47:35,830 --> 01:47:32,560
after that he got investigated by the um

2648
01:47:37,189 --> 01:47:35,840
is it called the irs in in united states

2649
01:47:40,550 --> 01:47:37,199
the revenue service

2650
01:47:41,270 --> 01:47:40,560
yes yeah and he fails or his sister

2651
01:47:44,390 --> 01:47:41,280
fails

2652
01:47:48,629 --> 01:47:44,400
that was because he spoke out and so

2653
01:47:51,189 --> 01:47:48,639
he's been very quiet since yeah the irs

2654
01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:51,199
uh will scare the crap out of you well

2655
01:47:56,950 --> 01:47:53,040
let's get a crack batter cap

2656
01:48:00,229 --> 01:47:56,960
yeah yeah it did um what do you think

2657
01:48:04,310 --> 01:48:00,239
uh in in looking at everything around

2658
01:48:07,750 --> 01:48:04,320
ed kabanzag uh do you think that

2659
01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:07,760
he saw everything that uh pennison and

2660
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:10,000
burroughs did

2661
01:48:14,629 --> 01:48:13,199
um not everything he saw everything um

2662
01:48:18,310 --> 01:48:14,639
at the beginning

2663
01:48:18,790 --> 01:48:18,320
up until when jim says the craft landed

2664
01:48:22,629 --> 01:48:18,800
and

2665
01:48:24,709 --> 01:48:22,639
remembers everything from in the end

2666
01:48:25,669 --> 01:48:24,719
but he can't remember anything from the

2667
01:48:28,070 --> 01:48:25,679
middle

2668
01:48:30,149 --> 01:48:28,080
yeah it's a it's a very strange part uh

2669
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:30,159
to to this saga

2670
01:48:36,629 --> 01:48:33,199
yeah um okay so now

2671
01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:36,639
uh they all head in uh and they

2672
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:40,239
are approaching the lights um

2673
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:42,480
i i think at that point they started to

2674
01:48:47,109 --> 01:48:43,600
realize

2675
01:48:50,950 --> 01:48:47,119
uh i don't want your research here that

2676
01:48:54,629 --> 01:48:50,960
this isn't a joke right this is

2677
01:48:56,470 --> 01:48:54,639
this isn't a prank and um

2678
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:56,480
the reason why i bring that up and let's

2679
01:49:01,590 --> 01:48:58,320
talk about that now

2680
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:01,600
it's been chattered about uh and it

2681
01:49:05,189 --> 01:49:03,119
started about a year ago

2682
01:49:06,629 --> 01:49:05,199
i don't want to get into details or

2683
01:49:10,390 --> 01:49:06,639
pointing fingers

2684
01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:10,400
but that this was just a prank by the ir

2685
01:49:16,550 --> 01:49:13,440
by the raf on u.s

2686
01:49:18,790 --> 01:49:16,560
servicemen um can we put the kibosh on

2687
01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:18,800
that right now

2688
01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:21,760
um well i don't think we can put the

2689
01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:23,040
kybash on anything

2690
01:49:27,510 --> 01:49:25,840
jimmy about talking to the witnesses who

2691
01:49:30,550 --> 01:49:27,520
i've known over the years

2692
01:49:31,510 --> 01:49:30,560
this was not um a prank of any

2693
01:49:34,629 --> 01:49:31,520
proportions

2694
01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:34,639
i mean kabansk thought he was in for a

2695
01:49:40,950 --> 01:49:38,400
prank on his way towards the lights

2696
01:49:42,550 --> 01:49:40,960
he soon realized that was not a joke

2697
01:49:45,669 --> 01:49:42,560
looking on the expressions

2698
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:45,679
and the way john and jim were were

2699
01:49:48,149 --> 01:49:46,400
acting

2700
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:48,159
he knew then that was no fraternity

2701
01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:50,080
prank he knew this was a real life

2702
01:49:54,830 --> 01:49:51,520
situation

2703
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:54,840
and um what what what was the

2704
01:49:59,990 --> 01:49:56,639
environment

2705
01:50:00,950 --> 01:50:00,000
were the animals doing what was the

2706
01:50:03,990 --> 01:50:00,960
forest like

2707
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:04,000
what was going on around them okay for

2708
01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:06,880
in in several situations throughout this

2709
01:50:10,870 --> 01:50:07,360
all

2710
01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:10,880
rfi the animals acted up and you can

2711
01:50:13,109 --> 01:50:12,480
walk through the wendelstrom forest you

2712
01:50:16,470 --> 01:50:13,119
will not

2713
01:50:19,830 --> 01:50:16,480
hear an animal but when they act up

2714
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:19,840
the um the deer bleach and

2715
01:50:24,950 --> 01:50:22,880
the owls who and the birds fly and

2716
01:50:28,470 --> 01:50:24,960
apparently when the situation

2717
01:50:29,669 --> 01:50:28,480
took at one stage when john and jim were

2718
01:50:32,070 --> 01:50:29,679
approaching the craft

2719
01:50:34,390 --> 01:50:32,080
all hell let loose the farm animals in

2720
01:50:37,910 --> 01:50:34,400
the farm which is a couple of miles away

2721
01:50:38,629 --> 01:50:37,920
were all going crazy there was something

2722
01:50:41,830 --> 01:50:38,639
that

2723
01:50:45,109 --> 01:50:41,840
spooked the animals and so we've got uh

2724
01:50:47,589 --> 01:50:45,119
the forest is now uh well

2725
01:50:49,750 --> 01:50:47,599
it's lit up but it's lit up with noise

2726
01:50:50,629 --> 01:50:49,760
right so we've got all of that activity

2727
01:50:53,270 --> 01:50:50,639
going on

2728
01:50:54,229 --> 01:50:53,280
these guys are in the woods the reports

2729
01:50:57,270 --> 01:50:54,239
of the lights

2730
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:57,280
are are happening what's going on

2731
01:51:04,709 --> 01:51:00,960
uh back at benton waters and woodbridge

2732
01:51:07,030 --> 01:51:04,719
well we don't know jim because um

2733
01:51:08,390 --> 01:51:07,040
jim peniston was reporting back to the

2734
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:08,400
csc all the while

2735
01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:10,719
on the radio and he was hearing nothing

2736
01:51:16,709 --> 01:51:12,480
back

2737
01:51:17,589 --> 01:51:16,719
and but but airmen have told me that

2738
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:17,599
they heard

2739
01:51:22,470 --> 01:51:20,560
the commotion going on over the radio

2740
01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:22,480
that um the animals were acting up and

2741
01:51:26,390 --> 01:51:23,920
they were going crazy

2742
01:51:28,629 --> 01:51:26,400
and um one airmen in particular has told

2743
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:28,639
me that he heard the situation

2744
01:51:32,310 --> 01:51:31,280
where um jim penderson was saying that

2745
01:51:34,709 --> 01:51:32,320
the craft

2746
01:51:36,629 --> 01:51:34,719
is definitely a nuts and bolts craft

2747
01:51:38,870 --> 01:51:36,639
that's a hundred feet in front of me

2748
01:51:40,629 --> 01:51:38,880
and in the next breath he was breathing

2749
01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:40,639
heavily and he was saying

2750
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:43,280
do you copy that the craft is now behind

2751
01:51:47,990 --> 01:51:44,239
me

2752
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:48,000
ufo

2753
01:51:58,229 --> 01:51:55,910
no i don't know if he did i think

2754
01:51:59,189 --> 01:51:58,239
jim always referred to it as a craft of

2755
01:52:02,310 --> 01:51:59,199
unknown

2756
01:52:03,030 --> 01:52:02,320
okay oh no no no no no um you're right

2757
01:52:05,669 --> 01:52:03,040
jimmy

2758
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:05,679
there was a report over the radio saying

2759
01:52:09,030 --> 01:52:06,800
something about the

2760
01:52:10,470 --> 01:52:09,040
there's a report of the ufo in the

2761
01:52:12,390 --> 01:52:10,480
forest right

2762
01:52:13,510 --> 01:52:12,400
i don't i don't think that was anything

2763
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:13,520
to do with jim

2764
01:52:17,990 --> 01:52:16,560
okay uh but but it it starts happening

2765
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:18,000
with the radio chatter

2766
01:52:22,709 --> 01:52:20,480
this is just my memory you can stop me

2767
01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:22,719
and correct me at any point trust me

2768
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:26,080
um but uh this is

2769
01:52:31,990 --> 01:52:29,199
uh uh a name that is

2770
01:52:33,589 --> 01:52:32,000
is is pretty significant but it came up

2771
01:52:36,950 --> 01:52:33,599
for me for the first time

2772
01:52:41,510 --> 01:52:36,960
and that's a bertolino and

2773
01:52:44,550 --> 01:52:41,520
uh bernalino um is with somebody

2774
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:44,560
and they also have a siding between the

2775
01:52:49,550 --> 01:52:46,000
bases

2776
01:52:50,709 --> 01:52:49,560
yeah yes this is on the next night the

2777
01:52:54,310 --> 01:52:50,719
26th

2778
01:52:57,430 --> 01:52:54,320
into the 27th um

2779
01:53:00,149 --> 01:52:57,440
bertolino and a few other

2780
01:53:00,709 --> 01:53:00,159
sps were patrolling the perimeter of the

2781
01:53:02,390 --> 01:53:00,719
base

2782
01:53:04,390 --> 01:53:02,400
and they saw lights in the sky and the

2783
01:53:06,709 --> 01:53:04,400
way they've been described to me to me

2784
01:53:07,669 --> 01:53:06,719
is that they were there at one moment

2785
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:07,679
and then they were

2786
01:53:12,149 --> 01:53:10,080
blinked out and they were somewhere else

2787
01:53:14,229 --> 01:53:12,159
you know a half a mile away

2788
01:53:16,149 --> 01:53:14,239
and this was going on and someone

2789
01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:16,159
stupidly remarked that

2790
01:53:22,629 --> 01:53:19,920
were the uk celebrating

2791
01:53:23,030 --> 01:53:22,639
old year's night on a different night

2792
01:53:26,790 --> 01:53:23,040
but

2793
01:53:30,629 --> 01:53:26,800
on the 26th

2794
01:53:33,189 --> 01:53:30,639
lori bowen twin uh 18 year old airman

2795
01:53:35,109 --> 01:53:33,199
down on the east gate and that wasn't a

2796
01:53:38,229 --> 01:53:35,119
gate that was normally

2797
01:53:40,950 --> 01:53:38,239
um kept kept in patrol

2798
01:53:41,830 --> 01:53:40,960
she was put on that gate that night and

2799
01:53:45,669 --> 01:53:41,840
she saw

2800
01:53:49,270 --> 01:53:45,679
a big orange orb come over her

2801
01:53:51,109 --> 01:53:49,280
um if you know where the escape road is

2802
01:53:53,589 --> 01:53:51,119
she's at the east gate and she saw this

2803
01:53:55,990 --> 01:53:53,599
big orange orb that she described as

2804
01:53:57,990 --> 01:53:56,000
like if you had handfuls of fire

2805
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:58,000
and you put them all together that was

2806
01:54:01,109 --> 01:53:59,040
what she saw

2807
01:54:02,790 --> 01:54:01,119
and i went over the runways so we're

2808
01:54:05,430 --> 01:54:02,800
talking north of the runway

2809
01:54:06,870 --> 01:54:05,440
and descending to the wendelson forest

2810
01:54:08,149 --> 01:54:06,880
and she called her in because she was

2811
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:08,159
scared

2812
01:54:13,990 --> 01:54:11,920
airman that they sent down

2813
01:54:15,990 --> 01:54:14,000
i think it was police five they sent him

2814
01:54:19,189 --> 01:54:16,000
down to consola

2815
01:54:19,990 --> 01:54:19,199
yeah but uh and that was the second

2816
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:20,000
night

2817
01:54:26,629 --> 01:54:23,760
panistan

2818
01:54:27,910 --> 01:54:26,639
and cabin sag and and burrows were in

2819
01:54:31,109 --> 01:54:27,920
the forest

2820
01:54:33,669 --> 01:54:31,119
didn't bertolino who was also on patrol

2821
01:54:35,430 --> 01:54:33,679
they went to the top of bunker hill they

2822
01:54:38,390 --> 01:54:35,440
did and they watched some lights yeah

2823
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:38,400
yeah so they were watching the forest

2824
01:54:43,109 --> 01:54:39,760
while the three of them

2825
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:43,119
were were heading in to investigate the

2826
01:54:47,830 --> 01:54:43,840
lights

2827
01:54:49,910 --> 01:54:47,840
until the call come over the radio

2828
01:54:51,430 --> 01:54:49,920
and that there was to be no more

2829
01:54:53,030 --> 01:54:51,440
transmissions on the radio

2830
01:54:54,790 --> 01:54:53,040
and they knew that there was no point

2831
01:54:57,830 --> 01:54:54,800
watching anything else now

2832
01:54:59,830 --> 01:54:57,840
um so sorry jimmy i'm sorry

2833
01:55:01,350 --> 01:54:59,840
i've made a big mistake wasn't

2834
01:55:02,070 --> 01:55:01,360
bernalillo on the second night with

2835
01:55:06,149 --> 01:55:02,080
laurie bone

2836
01:55:08,470 --> 01:55:06,159
was john trementosi yes okay see okay

2837
01:55:09,990 --> 01:55:08,480
i'm 57 years old and i'm worried about

2838
01:55:14,149 --> 01:55:10,000
losing my mind

2839
01:55:16,709 --> 01:55:14,159
so i just want to make sure

2840
01:55:18,550 --> 01:55:16,719
because um i learned so much from this

2841
01:55:20,470 --> 01:55:18,560
timeline uh ronnie

2842
01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:20,480
that that you have put together and i

2843
01:55:25,109 --> 01:55:22,080
didn't know

2844
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:25,119
um and i think that most of us uh

2845
01:55:29,430 --> 01:55:28,400
didn't know we just assumed it was the

2846
01:55:32,149 --> 01:55:29,440
three of those

2847
01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:32,159
uh uh the three of them in the force

2848
01:55:36,149 --> 01:55:33,920
investigating these lights

2849
01:55:37,270 --> 01:55:36,159
and there wasn't uh other confirmation

2850
01:55:40,310 --> 01:55:37,280
and there wasn't other

2851
01:55:42,629 --> 01:55:40,320
air force personnel involved in this and

2852
01:55:45,270 --> 01:55:42,639
it turns out there was and berlino

2853
01:55:45,990 --> 01:55:45,280
and his partner hear about this they

2854
01:55:49,189 --> 01:55:46,000
climb up on

2855
01:55:50,070 --> 01:55:49,199
top of bunker hill so they could get a

2856
01:55:53,109 --> 01:55:50,080
vantage point

2857
01:55:54,870 --> 01:55:53,119
looking into rendelsham and they have

2858
01:55:57,669 --> 01:55:54,880
their own siding they see

2859
01:55:58,830 --> 01:55:57,679
now okay now didn't bernalino describe

2860
01:56:03,350 --> 01:55:58,840
this as

2861
01:56:06,709 --> 01:56:03,360
giant the light

2862
01:56:08,470 --> 01:56:06,719
who and bertolino described that he said

2863
01:56:11,270 --> 01:56:08,480
that was a really red light

2864
01:56:11,910 --> 01:56:11,280
that seemed to be lighten up part of the

2865
01:56:15,189 --> 01:56:11,920
forest

2866
01:56:17,109 --> 01:56:15,199
but in a dome like right so like the

2867
01:56:19,189 --> 01:56:17,119
light didn't radiate out

2868
01:56:20,229 --> 01:56:19,199
that went like a dome like a mushroom

2869
01:56:22,149 --> 01:56:20,239
shape and

2870
01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:22,159
not beyond that so that was a really red

2871
01:56:25,589 --> 01:56:24,159
light yeah he said it was the size of a

2872
01:56:31,270 --> 01:56:25,599
football pitch

2873
01:56:37,109 --> 01:56:34,310
yeah yes and uh uh

2874
01:56:38,470 --> 01:56:37,119
okay so now we've got uh bertolino he's

2875
01:56:42,070 --> 01:56:38,480
on bunker hill

2876
01:56:45,510 --> 01:56:42,080
we've got uh cabin sag peniston

2877
01:56:47,669 --> 01:56:45,520
and burrows in the forest what happens

2878
01:56:51,030 --> 01:56:47,679
next

2879
01:56:53,830 --> 01:56:51,040
um when when bertolino and

2880
01:56:56,229 --> 01:56:53,840
peniston and boros approach where the

2881
01:56:59,510 --> 01:56:56,239
light is

2882
01:57:02,310 --> 01:56:59,520
well as they

2883
01:57:04,149 --> 01:57:02,320
approach the light jim pennston is in

2884
01:57:06,550 --> 01:57:04,159
the lead

2885
01:57:07,830 --> 01:57:06,560
john borrows is a little bit further

2886
01:57:11,830 --> 01:57:07,840
back and then

2887
01:57:12,550 --> 01:57:11,840
um there's cabanzack as they reach the

2888
01:57:15,109 --> 01:57:12,560
burn

2889
01:57:16,629 --> 01:57:15,119
this is where the storage differs for

2890
01:57:19,910 --> 01:57:16,639
everyone involved

2891
01:57:20,470 --> 01:57:19,920
and john says that the light intensified

2892
01:57:22,550 --> 01:57:20,480
nate

2893
01:57:24,390 --> 01:57:22,560
that was it he can't remember me anymore

2894
01:57:27,510 --> 01:57:24,400
after that and

2895
01:57:30,870 --> 01:57:27,520
combat sex is the same but then

2896
01:57:32,149 --> 01:57:30,880
jim's experienced a completely different

2897
01:57:35,910 --> 01:57:32,159
situation

2898
01:57:39,030 --> 01:57:35,920
now um john i've got about a a minute

2899
01:57:41,750 --> 01:57:39,040
and a half before the break john

2900
01:57:43,109 --> 01:57:41,760
um has said you know what jim has said

2901
01:57:45,189 --> 01:57:43,119
pretty much the same thing

2902
01:57:47,109 --> 01:57:45,199
um that they go up to the berm and they

2903
01:57:48,629 --> 01:57:47,119
lay down right and they kind of peek

2904
01:57:51,870 --> 01:57:48,639
over the top

2905
01:57:54,709 --> 01:57:51,880
yep and and burrows which i think it's

2906
01:57:56,629 --> 01:57:54,719
extraordinary to hear his words

2907
01:57:58,470 --> 01:57:56,639
they were right on top of this thing

2908
01:58:02,149 --> 01:57:58,480
right they lay down

2909
01:58:05,589 --> 01:58:02,159
uh cabin sag is behind him but burrows

2910
01:58:08,310 --> 01:58:05,599
and i just do this in my own mind

2911
01:58:10,149 --> 01:58:08,320
he he's on the edge of the sperm and he

2912
01:58:14,550 --> 01:58:10,159
peeks up and he takes

2913
01:58:16,229 --> 01:58:14,560
a pretty good solid look at this craft

2914
01:58:18,149 --> 01:58:16,239
yeah according to jim penderson's

2915
01:58:19,589 --> 01:58:18,159
testimony he'd done a walk around the

2916
01:58:23,830 --> 01:58:19,599
craft

2917
01:58:32,629 --> 01:58:29,350
right and you'd have to be pretty crazy

2918
01:58:34,870 --> 01:58:32,639
and and and cabin sag uh is

2919
01:58:36,629 --> 01:58:34,880
behind them you've got penicillin and

2920
01:58:39,109 --> 01:58:36,639
burrows lying on their stomachs

2921
01:58:40,070 --> 01:58:39,119
looking over this hill at this ufo this

2922
01:58:42,709 --> 01:58:40,080
landed craft

2923
01:58:43,109 --> 01:58:42,719
in the forest what's cabin sag doing

2924
01:58:45,990 --> 01:58:43,119
well

2925
01:58:46,709 --> 01:58:46,000
the thing is john doesn't remember any

2926
01:58:50,390 --> 01:58:46,719
from

2927
01:58:53,669 --> 01:58:50,400
remember

2928
01:58:57,270 --> 01:58:53,679
and kabansak doesn't either and jim says

2929
01:58:58,629 --> 01:58:57,280
that john was um forgive me if i'm wrong

2930
01:59:01,189 --> 01:58:58,639
but so many yards back

2931
01:59:02,870 --> 01:59:01,199
on the right and cabanzac was 60 yards

2932
01:59:05,430 --> 01:59:02,880
back on the left

2933
01:59:07,030 --> 01:59:05,440
and he could see that kabansik wasn't

2934
01:59:09,510 --> 01:59:07,040
moving

2935
01:59:10,629 --> 01:59:09,520
and it wasn't it wasn't it burroughs

2936
01:59:14,390 --> 01:59:10,639
that uh

2937
01:59:18,070 --> 01:59:14,400
when he came to didn't he notice that

2938
01:59:20,149 --> 01:59:18,080
uh cabin sag uh wasn't responding

2939
01:59:21,990 --> 01:59:20,159
no that was jim oh that was peniston

2940
01:59:24,629 --> 01:59:22,000
okay yeah yeah kind of had to shake him

2941
01:59:27,109 --> 01:59:24,639
a bit didn't he

2942
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well i don't know i mean if he was 60 60

2943
01:59:29,990 --> 01:59:27,920
feet away

2944
01:59:32,470 --> 01:59:30,000
there's no way he could shake him no i

2945
01:59:34,470 --> 01:59:32,480
mean after the event

2946
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i don't know yeah okay all right we need

2947
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to take a break right here there's so

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[Applause]

3066
02:04:34,069 --> 02:04:30,239
you want to know a secret i love

3067
02:04:36,149 --> 02:04:34,079
ponies i really love ponies i'm serious

3068
02:04:37,750 --> 02:04:36,159
i couldn't stay sane without pawn needs

3069
02:04:41,830 --> 02:04:37,760
to

3070
02:04:46,229 --> 02:04:41,840
that pony

3071
02:04:50,790 --> 02:04:48,390
this is fade to black with jimmy church

3072
02:05:08,310 --> 02:04:50,800
on the game changer radio network

3073
02:05:11,189 --> 02:05:09,830
all right welcome back fade to block i'm

3074
02:05:13,830 --> 02:05:11,199
your host jimmy church tonight ronnie

3075
02:05:16,470 --> 02:05:13,840
dugdale live from the uk

3076
02:05:19,510 --> 02:05:16,480
ronnie's contribution to the new book by

3077
02:05:22,870 --> 02:05:19,520
john burroughs weaponization of the uap

3078
02:05:25,910 --> 02:05:22,880
is extraordinary and it is detailed

3079
02:05:27,669 --> 02:05:25,920
and this is what we're going to do

3080
02:05:29,189 --> 02:05:27,679
now we're going to jump we're going to

3081
02:05:32,310 --> 02:05:29,199
jump way ahead

3082
02:05:35,270 --> 02:05:32,320
um uh the uh

3083
02:05:37,109 --> 02:05:35,280
the testimony of of the sighting all

3084
02:05:38,069 --> 02:05:37,119
documented it's all in the book and the

3085
02:05:40,390 --> 02:05:38,079
way that

3086
02:05:42,390 --> 02:05:40,400
it is laid out here by ronnie is it's

3087
02:05:47,430 --> 02:05:42,400
just an amazing read

3088
02:05:49,510 --> 02:05:47,440
but uh we got to go way past that

3089
02:05:51,270 --> 02:05:49,520
to what i think is one of the most

3090
02:05:54,470 --> 02:05:51,280
significant moments and

3091
02:05:55,589 --> 02:05:54,480
also uh ronnie you're you're dropping

3092
02:05:58,069 --> 02:05:55,599
names

3093
02:05:59,430 --> 02:05:58,079
uh did you uh and we're gonna go through

3094
02:06:02,470 --> 02:05:59,440
that right now

3095
02:06:05,830 --> 02:06:02,480
but were you concerned about that in in

3096
02:06:06,870 --> 02:06:05,840
in all of this where uh so many

3097
02:06:11,030 --> 02:06:06,880
individuals now

3098
02:06:12,629 --> 02:06:11,040
are named uh named in the timeline

3099
02:06:14,550 --> 02:06:12,639
did you have to reach out to everybody

3100
02:06:16,950 --> 02:06:14,560
individually and say hey you're gonna be

3101
02:06:18,629 --> 02:06:16,960
a part of this book how did you handle

3102
02:06:20,629 --> 02:06:18,639
that briefly if you will

3103
02:06:21,990 --> 02:06:20,639
yeah sure the the the names that are

3104
02:06:23,990 --> 02:06:22,000
named in the timeline

3105
02:06:25,510 --> 02:06:24,000
are the people who don't worry the

3106
02:06:27,990 --> 02:06:25,520
people who aren't named

3107
02:06:29,350 --> 02:06:28,000
the ones that i have to keep in my head

3108
02:06:30,870 --> 02:06:29,360
for various reasons

3109
02:06:32,390 --> 02:06:30,880
mostly because they're still working for

3110
02:06:35,589 --> 02:06:32,400
the government okay

3111
02:06:37,189 --> 02:06:35,599
because uh now

3112
02:06:39,109 --> 02:06:37,199
now everybody leaves the force we're

3113
02:06:43,030 --> 02:06:39,119
gonna we're gonna jump ahead

3114
02:06:46,550 --> 02:06:43,040
and uh where peniston uh

3115
02:06:49,669 --> 02:06:46,560
now uh is immediately told

3116
02:06:53,030 --> 02:06:49,679
that the the the captain wants

3117
02:06:55,990 --> 02:06:53,040
to see him right

3118
02:06:57,030 --> 02:06:56,000
um uh you have a master sergeant

3119
02:07:00,229 --> 02:06:57,040
chandler uh

3120
02:07:02,629 --> 02:07:00,239
that gets into play here uh now he's

3121
02:07:05,910 --> 02:07:02,639
told that the captain wants to see him

3122
02:07:07,350 --> 02:07:05,920
and uh he heads over to uh central

3123
02:07:09,589 --> 02:07:07,360
security

3124
02:07:11,109 --> 02:07:09,599
and where he is met by sergeant coffey

3125
02:07:13,910 --> 02:07:11,119
he is also

3126
02:07:15,189 --> 02:07:13,920
wasn't wasn't peniston at this point

3127
02:07:19,189 --> 02:07:15,199
told to turn in his

3128
02:07:21,510 --> 02:07:19,199
weapon um

3129
02:07:23,189 --> 02:07:21,520
no i don't think so i don't think he had

3130
02:07:25,510 --> 02:07:23,199
his weapon out there i think

3131
02:07:26,950 --> 02:07:25,520
maybe john can answer this he might have

3132
02:07:30,149 --> 02:07:26,960
had his side on with him

3133
02:07:31,510 --> 02:07:30,159
right but no when when he spoke to um um

3134
02:07:34,470 --> 02:07:31,520
david coffey

3135
02:07:35,270 --> 02:07:34,480
he was um there's there's a form that

3136
02:07:37,510 --> 02:07:35,280
they have to do

3137
02:07:39,270 --> 02:07:37,520
and forgive me i can't remember the

3138
02:07:42,550 --> 02:07:39,280
details

3139
02:07:44,550 --> 02:07:42,560
the dd 1569. that's the one

3140
02:07:45,990 --> 02:07:44,560
jimmy when he got there that was already

3141
02:07:49,270 --> 02:07:46,000
written out for him

3142
02:07:50,390 --> 02:07:49,280
so then jim knew that everything he'd

3143
02:07:52,069 --> 02:07:50,400
been reporting

3144
02:07:54,390 --> 02:07:52,079
because he's not hearing anything back

3145
02:07:56,390 --> 02:07:54,400
on the radio chat he's reporting

3146
02:07:57,910 --> 02:07:56,400
every 15 minutes he's reporting all the

3147
02:07:59,750 --> 02:07:57,920
while what's happening

3148
02:08:01,350 --> 02:07:59,760
not knowing that they can hear him

3149
02:08:03,830 --> 02:08:01,360
hoping that they can hear him

3150
02:08:05,109 --> 02:08:03,840
because the last thing jim wanted was

3151
02:08:07,589 --> 02:08:05,119
other people out there

3152
02:08:08,950 --> 02:08:07,599
until he'd done his assessment of it and

3153
02:08:10,950 --> 02:08:08,960
so when he got back to the central

3154
02:08:13,189 --> 02:08:10,960
security control he then realized

3155
02:08:14,870 --> 02:08:13,199
that they had listened to everything and

3156
02:08:15,990 --> 02:08:14,880
that was already written out from jim

3157
02:08:18,550 --> 02:08:16,000
looked at it and he checked

3158
02:08:19,270 --> 02:08:18,560
over the dates and times and everything

3159
02:08:20,950 --> 02:08:19,280
lined up

3160
02:08:22,390 --> 02:08:20,960
so we said that's fine that's great that

3161
02:08:25,189 --> 02:08:22,400
saved me a job

3162
02:08:25,589 --> 02:08:25,199
so yeah well peniston i i can imagine

3163
02:08:28,390 --> 02:08:25,599
right

3164
02:08:29,270 --> 02:08:28,400
he wants to uh fill out the incident

3165
02:08:31,430 --> 02:08:29,280
report

3166
02:08:33,669 --> 02:08:31,440
uh and have the honor of doing that it's

3167
02:08:35,030 --> 02:08:33,679
his job right so you're gonna go in

3168
02:08:37,510 --> 02:08:35,040
and you're gonna fill it out well that

3169
02:08:37,910 --> 02:08:37,520
didn't happen it was already filled up

3170
02:08:40,470 --> 02:08:37,920
for him

3171
02:08:41,350 --> 02:08:40,480
right absolutely he's the boss he's told

3172
02:08:44,310 --> 02:08:41,360
john

3173
02:08:45,750 --> 02:08:44,320
you don't say anything leave it to me

3174
02:08:47,270 --> 02:08:45,760
john was quite happy with that

3175
02:08:49,430 --> 02:08:47,280
because he is he didn't want to say

3176
02:08:51,669 --> 02:08:49,440
anything on the way back to the

3177
02:08:53,189 --> 02:08:51,679
the central security control the biggest

3178
02:08:54,709 --> 02:08:53,199
worry for john is what we're going to

3179
02:08:56,550 --> 02:08:54,719
say what we're going to you know how do

3180
02:08:59,669 --> 02:08:56,560
you report a ufo saying

3181
02:09:02,310 --> 02:08:59,679
so he was quite happy

3182
02:09:04,149 --> 02:09:02,320
burroughs is with him uh did penis

3183
02:09:04,629 --> 02:09:04,159
didn't want to take control of the whole

3184
02:09:08,069 --> 02:09:04,639
thing

3185
02:09:08,950 --> 02:09:08,079
uh at that point well that's his job too

3186
02:09:12,390 --> 02:09:08,960
and he did

3187
02:09:14,629 --> 02:09:12,400
right and so did john

3188
02:09:16,790 --> 02:09:14,639
have an opportunity to give a statement

3189
02:09:19,830 --> 02:09:16,800
at that point

3190
02:09:21,990 --> 02:09:19,840
his job

3191
02:09:22,950 --> 02:09:22,000
he let jim do all the talking so to

3192
02:09:27,030 --> 02:09:22,960
speak right

3193
02:09:30,550 --> 02:09:27,040
yeah okay uh and then um

3194
02:09:34,470 --> 02:09:30,560
uh we've got uh uh fred

3195
02:09:37,189 --> 02:09:34,480
skip that's his nickname baron

3196
02:09:38,310 --> 02:09:37,199
and he was the on-duty flight security

3197
02:09:42,550 --> 02:09:38,320
officer

3198
02:09:45,589 --> 02:09:42,560
um he's there but before he left

3199
02:09:48,149 --> 02:09:45,599
then we have captain mike verano

3200
02:09:49,189 --> 02:09:48,159
um what did he say to uh skip at that

3201
02:09:51,669 --> 02:09:49,199
point

3202
02:09:52,310 --> 02:09:51,679
well skip was um he was due to go off on

3203
02:09:53,910 --> 02:09:52,320
leave

3204
02:09:55,430 --> 02:09:53,920
so we left it all to captain mike

3205
02:09:58,390 --> 02:09:55,440
ferrano uh

3206
02:09:59,830 --> 02:09:58,400
what did uh what did skip know at that

3207
02:10:02,069 --> 02:09:59,840
point

3208
02:10:04,310 --> 02:10:02,079
had he had had he seen the incident

3209
02:10:07,109 --> 02:10:04,320
report was he completely

3210
02:10:08,709 --> 02:10:07,119
familiar with everything that uh went

3211
02:10:10,069 --> 02:10:08,719
down with burroughs and peniston and

3212
02:10:12,069 --> 02:10:10,079
cabin sag

3213
02:10:14,069 --> 02:10:12,079
i'm sure he would have been yeah don't

3214
02:10:17,030 --> 02:10:14,079
listen to the radio reports coming in

3215
02:10:17,589 --> 02:10:17,040
because he has to turn around and uh

3216
02:10:20,229 --> 02:10:17,599
like

3217
02:10:21,109 --> 02:10:20,239
i i i want everybody to understand here

3218
02:10:23,669 --> 02:10:21,119
the

3219
02:10:25,430 --> 02:10:23,679
it's it's it's just not penniston and

3220
02:10:28,629 --> 02:10:25,440
burroughs at this point

3221
02:10:32,790 --> 02:10:28,639
we've got everybody on the base that is

3222
02:10:35,750 --> 02:10:32,800
uh involved in this uh so we have uh

3223
02:10:36,310 --> 02:10:35,760
this uh the deputy squadron commander uh

3224
02:10:39,350 --> 02:10:36,320
malcolm

3225
02:10:42,149 --> 02:10:39,360
ziegler um and

3226
02:10:42,950 --> 02:10:42,159
uh of course the base commander uh

3227
02:10:49,430 --> 02:10:42,960
colonel

3228
02:10:51,910 --> 02:10:49,440
are are getting involved

3229
02:10:54,390 --> 02:10:51,920
yeah malcolm ziegler wasn't he was the

3230
02:10:56,870 --> 02:10:54,400
chief of the 81st police

3231
02:10:57,669 --> 02:10:56,880
of uh the 81st security police at the

3232
02:11:00,149 --> 02:10:57,679
base uh

3233
02:11:01,830 --> 02:11:00,159
absolutely yeah and there was conrad and

3234
02:11:04,149 --> 02:11:01,840
i'm sure there was the wing commander

3235
02:11:06,069 --> 02:11:04,159
um williams as well i'm sure they were

3236
02:11:07,430 --> 02:11:06,079
all listening

3237
02:11:09,109 --> 02:11:07,440
they would not have been they would have

3238
02:11:12,229 --> 02:11:09,119
been

3239
02:11:15,830 --> 02:11:12,239
ronnie at this point

3240
02:11:19,189 --> 02:11:15,840
were people using uh those three letters

3241
02:11:25,669 --> 02:11:23,910
um well no one knew of them as uap at

3242
02:11:28,470 --> 02:11:25,679
that time so i'm sure they were saying

3243
02:11:29,109 --> 02:11:28,480
they would call them unexplained lights

3244
02:11:33,990 --> 02:11:29,119
right

3245
02:11:38,149 --> 02:11:34,000
and uh was um pennison at this point

3246
02:11:40,629 --> 02:11:38,159
uh uh he gives his version of the story

3247
02:11:41,830 --> 02:11:40,639
right yeah but i don't i i think

3248
02:11:45,270 --> 02:11:41,840
penniston

3249
02:11:48,470 --> 02:11:45,280
in his interviews with me

3250
02:11:52,550 --> 02:11:48,480
he didn't want to say ufo

3251
02:11:55,750 --> 02:11:52,560
no he called an um craft of unknown

3252
02:11:58,870 --> 02:11:55,760
origin good call on this point

3253
02:12:02,550 --> 02:11:58,880
right um

3254
02:12:05,830 --> 02:12:02,560
one of the uh one of the uh

3255
02:12:07,189 --> 02:12:05,840
extraordinary moments um which is in the

3256
02:12:10,629 --> 02:12:07,199
timeline here

3257
02:12:12,629 --> 02:12:10,639
verano uh then says to everybody and i'm

3258
02:12:14,550 --> 02:12:12,639
quoting he says gentlemen project blue

3259
02:12:17,189 --> 02:12:14,560
book ended in 1969.

3260
02:12:19,990 --> 02:12:17,199
there's simply no way to report this

3261
02:12:23,109 --> 02:12:20,000
what i want you to do is forget about it

3262
02:12:23,910 --> 02:12:23,119
take three days off and leave us to

3263
02:12:26,470 --> 02:12:23,920
handle it

3264
02:12:27,589 --> 02:12:26,480
now yeah i'm sure that would have suited

3265
02:12:30,629 --> 02:12:27,599
everyone if that they'd

3266
02:12:33,430 --> 02:12:30,639
just forgot about that yeah so now

3267
02:12:34,470 --> 02:12:33,440
let's uh let's jump ahead let's get to

3268
02:12:37,589 --> 02:12:34,480
lori

3269
02:12:41,109 --> 02:12:37,599
um yeah and and the second night

3270
02:12:42,470 --> 02:12:41,119
um uh we're we're jumping events here

3271
02:12:44,550 --> 02:12:42,480
and i'm looking at the clock we've got

3272
02:12:46,870 --> 02:12:44,560
way too much uh stuff to cover

3273
02:12:47,990 --> 02:12:46,880
everybody wants great yeah and everybody

3274
02:12:49,910 --> 02:12:48,000
wants to talk about

3275
02:12:51,350 --> 02:12:49,920
the the first and the third night i

3276
02:12:55,430 --> 02:12:51,360
understand that

3277
02:12:58,149 --> 02:12:55,440
um the second night uh it was probably

3278
02:12:59,910 --> 02:12:58,159
just as significant as the first and

3279
02:13:03,030 --> 02:12:59,920
third nights wasn't it

3280
02:13:05,589 --> 02:13:03,040
yeah i agree i think all and all events

3281
02:13:07,109 --> 02:13:05,599
before the rfi and after they're all

3282
02:13:09,750 --> 02:13:07,119
significant

3283
02:13:10,390 --> 02:13:09,760
and oh so uh we started to talk about

3284
02:13:13,510 --> 02:13:10,400
lori

3285
02:13:16,310 --> 02:13:13,520
um uh the kid on the motorcycle suffolk

3286
02:13:18,229 --> 02:13:16,320
police all of this is starting to kick

3287
02:13:21,189 --> 02:13:18,239
off

3288
02:13:22,870 --> 02:13:21,199
yeah so take us through that um what

3289
02:13:25,589 --> 02:13:22,880
started first

3290
02:13:27,430 --> 02:13:25,599
i guess on the second night was it the

3291
02:13:29,910 --> 02:13:27,440
motorcycle sighting

3292
02:13:31,589 --> 02:13:29,920
no no no the second night was the

3293
02:13:33,990 --> 02:13:31,599
motorcycle was on the first night

3294
02:13:35,030 --> 02:13:34,000
the second night was when um laurie's on

3295
02:13:38,470 --> 02:13:35,040
the east gate

3296
02:13:38,950 --> 02:13:38,480
and that's um a perimeter point that

3297
02:13:41,510 --> 02:13:38,960
isn't

3298
02:13:43,350 --> 02:13:41,520
normally manned but maybe they thought

3299
02:13:45,430 --> 02:13:43,360
because of what happened with them

3300
02:13:47,270 --> 02:13:45,440
boris and peniston and kabansek on the

3301
02:13:50,550 --> 02:13:47,280
first night they need to get

3302
02:13:53,510 --> 02:13:50,560
um eyes on the ground so poor

3303
02:13:54,629 --> 02:13:53,520
laurie 18 year old sent down the use

3304
02:13:58,069 --> 02:13:54,639
gate on their own well

3305
02:14:03,189 --> 02:13:58,079
if you know the area jimmy it is

3306
02:14:05,750 --> 02:14:03,199
pitch black it's a scary area anyway

3307
02:14:06,870 --> 02:14:05,760
she's on the east gate and all of a

3308
02:14:10,149 --> 02:14:06,880
sudden she says

3309
02:14:13,109 --> 02:14:10,159
this great fiery orb

3310
02:14:14,069 --> 02:14:13,119
can move ahead her which she describes

3311
02:14:18,229 --> 02:14:14,079
as looking like

3312
02:14:21,750 --> 02:14:18,239
handfuls of fire in the sky

3313
02:14:24,709 --> 02:14:21,760
it goes over north towards the runway

3314
02:14:25,669 --> 02:14:24,719
over the runway and descends somewhere

3315
02:14:28,470 --> 02:14:25,679
into the um

3316
02:14:29,430 --> 02:14:28,480
rendition forest so she's scared as hell

3317
02:14:31,830 --> 02:14:29,440
and she rings

3318
02:14:33,990 --> 02:14:31,840
she phones it through on the landline

3319
02:14:35,589 --> 02:14:34,000
and says what's happened she's scared

3320
02:14:37,910 --> 02:14:35,599
and that's when they sent john

3321
02:14:40,790 --> 02:14:37,920
trementosi who was pleased five

3322
02:14:41,189 --> 02:14:40,800
down to um comforter and and stand with

3323
02:14:43,430 --> 02:14:41,199
her

3324
02:14:44,709 --> 02:14:43,440
so then john trevon tells he comes he's

3325
02:14:47,270 --> 02:14:44,719
already had his sighting

3326
02:14:49,030 --> 02:14:47,280
during the day and i sat there and i sat

3327
02:14:50,470 --> 02:14:49,040
on the bottom of the police cruiser

3328
02:14:53,030 --> 02:14:50,480
and i listened to everything on the

3329
02:14:57,109 --> 02:14:53,040
motorola radio that's going off

3330
02:14:58,229 --> 02:14:57,119
and that's when um lieutenant bonnie

3331
02:15:00,870 --> 02:14:58,239
temblin

3332
02:15:01,589 --> 02:15:00,880
was sent with um master sergeant bob

3333
02:15:05,109 --> 02:15:01,599
ball

3334
02:15:09,350 --> 02:15:05,119
to investigate what laurie

3335
02:15:12,629 --> 02:15:09,360
saying and uh now we've also got

3336
02:15:15,750 --> 02:15:12,639
uh uh and you brought him up earlier uh

3337
02:15:16,950 --> 02:15:15,760
john trementosi yeah yeah yeah he's the

3338
02:15:19,430 --> 02:15:16,960
guy who came down

3339
02:15:20,470 --> 02:15:19,440
police fine they um because she was

3340
02:15:23,270 --> 02:15:20,480
scared as hell

3341
02:15:23,750 --> 02:15:23,280
and she he was sent there to comfort her

3342
02:15:27,270 --> 02:15:23,760
now

3343
02:15:29,030 --> 02:15:27,280
did he see anything yeah he'd seen

3344
02:15:29,669 --> 02:15:29,040
satan's during the day where it's in his

3345
02:15:31,669 --> 02:15:29,679
lights

3346
02:15:33,510 --> 02:15:31,679
in the sky moving from one area to

3347
02:15:36,550 --> 02:15:33,520
another when he was on that

3348
02:15:37,589 --> 02:15:36,560
um police perimeter patrol but while he

3349
02:15:39,750 --> 02:15:37,599
is there with her

3350
02:15:40,950 --> 02:15:39,760
he didn't see what lori had seen by

3351
02:15:45,750 --> 02:15:40,960
radio

3352
02:15:49,189 --> 02:15:45,760
what happened to laurie but um sorry

3353
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:49,199
bonnie templar and uh

3354
02:15:56,069 --> 02:15:52,800
and so he he sees

3355
02:15:58,310 --> 02:15:56,079
lights but they're not blinking

3356
02:16:00,550 --> 02:15:58,320
these are steady lights he he calls

3357
02:16:03,910 --> 02:16:00,560
these in too as well

3358
02:16:05,510 --> 02:16:03,920
he he sees them and they're in one area

3359
02:16:06,790 --> 02:16:05,520
and they blink often they come up in

3360
02:16:08,950 --> 02:16:06,800
another area

3361
02:16:10,229 --> 02:16:08,960
you know like miles apart and they're

3362
02:16:14,229 --> 02:16:10,239
watching this um

3363
02:16:17,030 --> 02:16:14,239
for a long while and uh

3364
02:16:18,310 --> 02:16:17,040
now we have shift commander uh bonnie

3365
02:16:21,430 --> 02:16:18,320
tamplin

3366
02:16:22,790 --> 02:16:21,440
uh she gets she gets the call doesn't

3367
02:16:32,230 --> 02:16:22,800
she

3368
02:16:33,750 --> 02:16:32,240
then on my way down from bent waters to

3369
02:16:36,389 --> 02:16:33,760
investigate and i know

3370
02:16:37,190 --> 02:16:36,399
that it happened because i spoke to some

3371
02:16:39,110 --> 02:16:37,200
sps

3372
02:16:40,950 --> 02:16:39,120
who were on the gate at the butler gate

3373
02:16:41,750 --> 02:16:40,960
which is the the gate nearest to

3374
02:16:43,509 --> 02:16:41,760
woodbridge

3375
02:16:45,830 --> 02:16:43,519
where they would have gone out and he

3376
02:16:46,629 --> 02:16:45,840
saw him coming and he also saw him later

3377
02:16:49,349 --> 02:16:46,639
in the day

3378
02:16:50,230 --> 02:16:49,359
after that came back and this is what is

3379
02:16:53,509 --> 02:16:50,240
so amazing

3380
02:16:56,629 --> 02:16:53,519
uh to me is now we have

3381
02:16:59,589 --> 02:16:56,639
uh a series of calls and this is

3382
02:17:01,270 --> 02:16:59,599
uh it's important to note this is the

3383
02:17:04,150 --> 02:17:01,280
military

3384
02:17:05,750 --> 02:17:04,160
you are always going to report what's

3385
02:17:06,549 --> 02:17:05,760
going on you're going to call the people

3386
02:17:08,549 --> 02:17:06,559
above you

3387
02:17:09,830 --> 02:17:08,559
and then they're going to make a call

3388
02:17:12,549 --> 02:17:09,840
because that's what ha

3389
02:17:13,589 --> 02:17:12,559
that's what happens here uh lori and

3390
02:17:16,629 --> 02:17:13,599
trementazi

3391
02:17:17,190 --> 02:17:16,639
they call it in right now tamplin turns

3392
02:17:20,870 --> 02:17:17,200
around

3393
02:17:23,030 --> 02:17:20,880
she calls master sergeant bob ball and

3394
02:17:24,549 --> 02:17:23,040
she's like you you got to check this out

3395
02:17:28,150 --> 02:17:24,559
and then you've got airman

3396
02:17:30,950 --> 02:17:28,160
belinda cookie green um who was there

3397
02:17:32,150 --> 02:17:30,960
uh working as well um there were a lot

3398
02:17:36,790 --> 02:17:32,160
of witnesses

3399
02:17:40,389 --> 02:17:36,800
uh to what went down on the second night

3400
02:17:43,030 --> 02:17:40,399
there was but um cookie

3401
02:17:44,070 --> 02:17:43,040
she wasn't involved until she was told

3402
02:17:47,429 --> 02:17:44,080
to pick up

3403
02:17:51,110 --> 02:17:47,439
she used to and work

3404
02:17:53,270 --> 02:17:51,120
um supply delivery yes delivery

3405
02:17:54,870 --> 02:17:53,280
in between ben watts and woodbridge and

3406
02:17:57,990 --> 02:17:54,880
she was told that there was some

3407
02:18:01,190 --> 02:17:58,000
personnel she needed to pick up and

3408
02:18:03,910 --> 02:18:01,200
she saw bonnie and

3409
02:18:05,270 --> 02:18:03,920
bob ball by the side of the road and she

3410
02:18:06,629 --> 02:18:05,280
stopped and picked him up and took him

3411
02:18:09,990 --> 02:18:06,639
back to benroy's

3412
02:18:13,509 --> 02:18:10,000
now was it at this point do you think

3413
02:18:15,910 --> 02:18:13,519
that john um

3414
02:18:17,830 --> 02:18:15,920
and peniston thought it was a single

3415
02:18:20,850 --> 02:18:17,840
event right the night before

3416
02:18:22,709 --> 02:18:20,860
now it's the 27th and

3417
02:18:25,030 --> 02:18:22,719
[Music]

3418
02:18:26,150 --> 02:18:25,040
they thought it was just a normal day

3419
02:18:28,309 --> 02:18:26,160
and

3420
02:18:29,589 --> 02:18:28,319
now we have a second day of sightings

3421
02:18:31,589 --> 02:18:29,599
right yeah well

3422
02:18:33,830 --> 02:18:31,599
yeah john john never knew anything about

3423
02:18:36,950 --> 02:18:33,840
this until the third night when

3424
02:18:37,429 --> 02:18:36,960
he he felt him um what's the word he

3425
02:18:40,549 --> 02:18:37,439
then

3426
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:40,559
felt compelled to go back to um the

3427
02:18:43,669 --> 02:18:41,519
forest

3428
02:18:45,190 --> 02:18:43,679
and he turned up at the law enforcement

3429
02:18:46,950 --> 02:18:45,200
desk and

3430
02:18:48,629 --> 02:18:46,960
someone told him that something's gone

3431
02:18:49,429 --> 02:18:48,639
on the night before with bonnie

3432
02:18:52,870 --> 02:18:49,439
chamberlain

3433
02:18:56,870 --> 02:18:52,880
and that she'd been um aerobacter

3434
02:18:58,870 --> 02:18:56,880
now uh this is uh uh uh the 26th and the

3435
02:19:02,309 --> 02:18:58,880
27th

3436
02:19:05,990 --> 02:19:02,319
you're working at the nightclubs

3437
02:19:08,549 --> 02:19:06,000
it was this the was this the chatter

3438
02:19:10,230 --> 02:19:08,559
that you started to hear coming through

3439
02:19:10,950 --> 02:19:10,240
i never heard anything about bonnie

3440
02:19:13,030 --> 02:19:10,960
chamblin

3441
02:19:14,150 --> 02:19:13,040
no no no no i'm just talking about all

3442
02:19:16,950 --> 02:19:14,160
of these events

3443
02:19:18,870 --> 02:19:16,960
on these first two nights with all these

3444
02:19:21,429 --> 02:19:18,880
names that are popping up and

3445
02:19:22,070 --> 02:19:21,439
and things were you able to tie this

3446
02:19:23,589 --> 02:19:22,080
back

3447
02:19:25,110 --> 02:19:23,599
to what you were hearing in the

3448
02:19:27,750 --> 02:19:25,120
nightclub no

3449
02:19:28,389 --> 02:19:27,760
no no names jimmy i never heard any

3450
02:19:30,469 --> 02:19:28,399
names

3451
02:19:32,230 --> 02:19:30,479
all i heard that was something seriously

3452
02:19:35,750 --> 02:19:32,240
when went on in the woods

3453
02:19:38,150 --> 02:19:35,760
they were chasing um i was told craft

3454
02:19:39,110 --> 02:19:38,160
by one person and lights by everyone

3455
02:19:43,030 --> 02:19:39,120
else yeah and

3456
02:19:44,790 --> 02:19:43,040
and uh was this uh this is happening in

3457
02:19:47,990 --> 02:19:44,800
real time so i'm asking you

3458
02:19:51,190 --> 02:19:48,000
ronnie was this on the 27th

3459
02:19:53,750 --> 02:19:51,200
when you started to hear the chatter

3460
02:19:55,429 --> 02:19:53,760
i'm not absolutely sure jimmy but that

3461
02:19:56,469 --> 02:19:55,439
was after christmas here yeah it was

3462
02:19:59,750 --> 02:19:56,479
after christmas

3463
02:20:01,510 --> 02:19:59,760
yeah absolutely i think personally i

3464
02:20:02,150 --> 02:20:01,520
think it was boxing day but i can't be

3465
02:20:05,270 --> 02:20:02,160
100

3466
02:20:07,830 --> 02:20:05,280
certain now uh now

3467
02:20:08,550 --> 02:20:07,840
this is uh this is the next important

3468
02:20:11,990 --> 02:20:08,560
point

3469
02:20:14,870 --> 02:20:12,000
uh in the timeline that

3470
02:20:16,389 --> 02:20:14,880
isn't discussed much but it's here and

3471
02:20:19,510 --> 02:20:16,399
that is this is when

3472
02:20:21,030 --> 02:20:19,520
uh colonel conrad uh orders an

3473
02:20:24,630 --> 02:20:21,040
investigation

3474
02:20:29,429 --> 02:20:24,640
yeah yeah yeah well um according to

3475
02:20:33,429 --> 02:20:29,439
um according to bruce england

3476
02:20:37,590 --> 02:20:36,389
sorry jimmy i'm getting blocked uh

3477
02:20:40,550 --> 02:20:37,600
that's okay

3478
02:20:41,830 --> 02:20:40,560
um well zickler's there uh conrad's

3479
02:20:45,030 --> 02:20:41,840
involved he orders

3480
02:20:48,150 --> 02:20:45,040
he orders the investigation and

3481
02:20:51,429 --> 02:20:48,160
that's when lieutenant uh bruce england

3482
02:20:54,070 --> 02:20:51,439
uh uh called in

3483
02:20:56,469 --> 02:20:54,080
uh monroe neville's who was okay jimmy

3484
02:20:58,710 --> 02:20:56,479
i've got it back

3485
02:21:00,070 --> 02:20:58,720
bruce england turned up at monroe

3486
02:21:02,550 --> 02:21:00,080
neville's house

3487
02:21:04,309 --> 02:21:02,560
and said that he was there on the orders

3488
02:21:07,590 --> 02:21:04,319
of colonel conrad

3489
02:21:11,190 --> 02:21:07,600
and that he'd heard um that john burras

3490
02:21:11,990 --> 02:21:11,200
had been taken off and abducted by a

3491
02:21:13,750 --> 02:21:12,000
craft

3492
02:21:15,510 --> 02:21:13,760
and they had to go to the rendelsham

3493
02:21:18,870 --> 02:21:15,520
forest to conduct

3494
02:21:20,469 --> 02:21:18,880
an investigation and um

3495
02:21:22,309 --> 02:21:20,479
when he first turned up at monroe

3496
02:21:25,349 --> 02:21:22,319
neville's door

3497
02:21:29,270 --> 02:21:25,359
he was um very

3498
02:21:31,349 --> 02:21:29,280
um secretive and careful

3499
02:21:32,950 --> 02:21:31,359
and he says to monroe neville's is there

3500
02:21:35,110 --> 02:21:32,960
anyone here who can

3501
02:21:36,950 --> 02:21:35,120
hear our conversation so monroe neville

3502
02:21:37,830 --> 02:21:36,960
said well that's my three-year-old

3503
02:21:40,710 --> 02:21:37,840
daughter and

3504
02:21:42,230 --> 02:21:40,720
and so bruce england said well can she

3505
02:21:42,870 --> 02:21:42,240
understand what we're talking about and

3506
02:21:44,950 --> 02:21:42,880
he went well

3507
02:21:46,309 --> 02:21:44,960
i don't know what are you going to talk

3508
02:21:48,870 --> 02:21:46,319
about i don't know

3509
02:21:49,830 --> 02:21:48,880
i don't think so and so then he told

3510
02:21:52,710 --> 02:21:49,840
them the story

3511
02:21:53,830 --> 02:21:52,720
that um airman boris was either taken up

3512
02:21:56,950 --> 02:21:53,840
or abducted

3513
02:21:58,230 --> 02:21:56,960
into a craft so and that and that

3514
02:22:01,270 --> 02:21:58,240
colonel conrad

3515
02:22:01,910 --> 02:22:01,280
had asked them because he could rely on

3516
02:22:05,590 --> 02:22:01,920
their

3517
02:22:07,349 --> 02:22:05,600
honesty to report back to him

3518
02:22:08,870 --> 02:22:07,359
and so they head off they head off to

3519
02:22:11,110 --> 02:22:08,880
the forces yeah

3520
02:22:12,630 --> 02:22:11,120
and they take some equipment with them

3521
02:22:19,030 --> 02:22:12,640
and

3522
02:22:22,630 --> 02:22:19,040
monroe reports

3523
02:22:25,670 --> 02:22:22,640
a sighting with the night vision goggles

3524
02:22:26,070 --> 02:22:25,680
what did he say well he's in he's in the

3525
02:22:28,309 --> 02:22:26,080
um

3526
02:22:30,550 --> 02:22:28,319
vehicle they've walked all around trying

3527
02:22:33,030 --> 02:22:30,560
to look for where the london site was

3528
02:22:34,790 --> 02:22:33,040
from the previous night which i'm sure

3529
02:22:37,030 --> 02:22:34,800
um lieutenant england would have known

3530
02:22:40,950 --> 02:22:37,040
because he was there in the morning

3531
02:22:43,510 --> 02:22:40,960
um investigating her and

3532
02:22:45,830 --> 02:22:43,520
what monroe neville sees he sees a

3533
02:22:47,349 --> 02:22:45,840
bright light they're about to leave

3534
02:22:49,030 --> 02:22:47,359
and he's looking through these night

3535
02:22:51,910 --> 02:22:49,040
vision goggles now

3536
02:22:53,750 --> 02:22:51,920
when newton's is um vehicle door the

3537
02:22:56,230 --> 02:22:53,760
light becomes bright

3538
02:22:57,429 --> 02:22:56,240
when he closes it the light diminishes

3539
02:23:00,389 --> 02:22:57,439
so it's like it's almost

3540
02:23:01,910 --> 02:23:00,399
in her action with him and so monroe

3541
02:23:04,469 --> 02:23:01,920
neville's after that says

3542
02:23:05,670 --> 02:23:04,479
i think i've seen or we need to see we

3543
02:23:08,550 --> 02:23:05,680
need to report this in

3544
02:23:09,910 --> 02:23:08,560
and off they go to the um officers

3545
02:23:13,349 --> 02:23:09,920
christmas party

3546
02:23:14,870 --> 02:23:13,359
now um uh with the which is where halt

3547
02:23:18,389 --> 02:23:14,880
comes into play

3548
02:23:22,870 --> 02:23:18,399
absolutely but but one thing happens

3549
02:23:26,150 --> 02:23:22,880
here uh between neville's and monroe

3550
02:23:28,790 --> 02:23:26,160
that also was reported by halt

3551
02:23:29,270 --> 02:23:28,800
later on as as he's got to go and get

3552
02:23:31,349 --> 02:23:29,280
changed

3553
02:23:34,309 --> 02:23:31,359
at the christmas party yeah yeah but it

3554
02:23:37,110 --> 02:23:34,319
was this nevilles and monroe said

3555
02:23:37,510 --> 02:23:37,120
that what they saw was something that

3556
02:23:40,630 --> 02:23:37,520
looked

3557
02:23:44,150 --> 02:23:40,640
like an eyeball absolutely now

3558
02:23:46,309 --> 02:23:44,160
um let me ask you this

3559
02:23:47,830 --> 02:23:46,319
that eyeball report from neville's and

3560
02:23:50,469 --> 02:23:47,840
monroe

3561
02:23:51,270 --> 02:23:50,479
which most people that know about rfi

3562
02:23:55,349 --> 02:23:51,280
don't

3563
02:23:56,710 --> 02:23:55,359
they reported specifically the key word

3564
02:23:59,510 --> 02:23:56,720
eyeball

3565
02:24:00,710 --> 02:23:59,520
is there any way that halt could have

3566
02:24:03,750 --> 02:24:00,720
known that

3567
02:24:04,150 --> 02:24:03,760
because halt reported the exact same

3568
02:24:06,710 --> 02:24:04,160
thing

3569
02:24:08,950 --> 02:24:06,720
once he got on the scene no i don't

3570
02:24:11,670 --> 02:24:08,960
think so jimmy but i can tell you this

3571
02:24:13,510 --> 02:24:11,680
there was numerous airmen have reported

3572
02:24:16,870 --> 02:24:13,520
the same thing to me

3573
02:24:19,830 --> 02:24:16,880
that happened days before the rfi

3574
02:24:21,750 --> 02:24:19,840
that that was an eyeball looked like an

3575
02:24:24,950 --> 02:24:21,760
eyeball winking at you and one of them

3576
02:24:30,150 --> 02:24:27,990
smitty my michael stacy smith

3577
02:24:31,030 --> 02:24:30,160
he reported the same thing and this was

3578
02:24:36,790 --> 02:24:31,040
days

3579
02:24:39,030 --> 02:24:36,800
and the the person who was with him one

3580
02:24:41,670 --> 02:24:39,040
of them jumped the perimeter fence

3581
02:24:43,830 --> 02:24:41,680
and gardened him and they were they were

3582
02:24:47,349 --> 02:24:43,840
ready to rock and roll and and take

3583
02:24:50,469 --> 02:24:47,359
the object out and uh

3584
02:24:53,349 --> 02:24:50,479
so it's is it your opinion that it

3585
02:24:55,190 --> 02:24:53,359
is beyond coincidence that everybody is

3586
02:24:58,309 --> 02:24:55,200
reporting the same thing

3587
02:24:59,910 --> 02:24:58,319
including colonel halt who could not

3588
02:25:03,830 --> 02:24:59,920
have known what neville's

3589
02:25:06,550 --> 02:25:03,840
and monroe had seen just prior to the

3590
02:25:07,110 --> 02:25:06,560
them arriving at the christmas party

3591
02:25:10,710 --> 02:25:07,120
well

3592
02:25:14,230 --> 02:25:10,720
i can't speak for um from charles hall

3593
02:25:17,910 --> 02:25:14,240
but remember he interviewed

3594
02:25:20,790 --> 02:25:17,920
kobansak on the morning of his incident

3595
02:25:21,429 --> 02:25:20,800
so whether he told him that i don't know

3596
02:25:24,230 --> 02:25:21,439
but

3597
02:25:26,309 --> 02:25:24,240
i think that's something that's been

3598
02:25:28,070 --> 02:25:26,319
overlooked is that that this eye

3599
02:25:29,830 --> 02:25:28,080
winking at you right there's something

3600
02:25:32,790 --> 02:25:29,840
to do with the phenomenon

3601
02:25:33,270 --> 02:25:32,800
yeah again i want everybody to get the

3602
02:25:36,710 --> 02:25:33,280
book

3603
02:25:40,710 --> 02:25:36,720
and and to read through this but the

3604
02:25:43,270 --> 02:25:40,720
the coincidences uh are extraordinary

3605
02:25:44,150 --> 02:25:43,280
and and the names that are involved here

3606
02:25:45,990 --> 02:25:44,160
this uh

3607
02:25:47,429 --> 02:25:46,000
it just turned out to be so much bigger

3608
02:25:50,389 --> 02:25:47,439
and broader

3609
02:25:51,750 --> 02:25:50,399
um and it it's different it gets a

3610
02:25:54,309 --> 02:25:51,760
different feel

3611
02:25:55,590 --> 02:25:54,319
ronnie when you when you have names

3612
02:25:58,630 --> 02:25:55,600
attached

3613
02:26:01,429 --> 02:25:58,640
uh to all of this it's not

3614
02:26:03,190 --> 02:26:01,439
you know a person was there you you

3615
02:26:06,070 --> 02:26:03,200
actually have the names

3616
02:26:06,950 --> 02:26:06,080
and it's yeah it's it's a really big

3617
02:26:09,429 --> 02:26:06,960
deal

3618
02:26:11,510 --> 02:26:09,439
um okay so now uh we're gonna head

3619
02:26:15,349 --> 02:26:11,520
towards a break in a couple of minutes

3620
02:26:18,710 --> 02:26:15,359
um but this is now we're starting

3621
02:26:20,070 --> 02:26:18,720
the third night uh the the base

3622
02:26:23,190 --> 02:26:20,080
christmas party is going

3623
02:26:25,349 --> 02:26:23,200
on the festivities are going on um

3624
02:26:27,510 --> 02:26:25,359
i don't know exactly what colonel halt

3625
02:26:31,030 --> 02:26:27,520
was wearing but it's a christmas party

3626
02:26:34,070 --> 02:26:31,040
so i'm assuming he's wearing his

3627
02:26:37,270 --> 02:26:34,080
his formal uniform right

3628
02:26:39,110 --> 02:26:37,280
he's he's nope at the christmas or he's

3629
02:26:41,990 --> 02:26:39,120
not in his dress

3630
02:26:42,389 --> 02:26:42,000
he's in this shape he's in a suit okay

3631
02:26:45,349 --> 02:26:42,399
but

3632
02:26:47,510 --> 02:26:45,359
he had to go and change absolutely yeah

3633
02:26:49,110 --> 02:26:47,520
okay so set this up for us they arrive

3634
02:26:50,630 --> 02:26:49,120
at the christmas party what do they say

3635
02:26:53,670 --> 02:26:50,640
to colonel hall

3636
02:26:56,870 --> 02:26:53,680
dude it's going on

3637
02:26:57,990 --> 02:26:56,880
bruce england who um you need to realize

3638
02:27:00,230 --> 02:26:58,000
what sort of um

3639
02:27:01,830 --> 02:27:00,240
airmen he was he'd been in the marines

3640
02:27:03,670 --> 02:27:01,840
before he joined the air force

3641
02:27:06,070 --> 02:27:03,680
he was someone who was not shocked

3642
02:27:06,870 --> 02:27:06,080
easily and he turned up at the christmas

3643
02:27:08,710 --> 02:27:06,880
party

3644
02:27:11,990 --> 02:27:08,720
and wanted to speak to him colonel

3645
02:27:13,910 --> 02:27:12,000
conrad and he said it's back

3646
02:27:16,309 --> 02:27:13,920
and they said what's back he said the

3647
02:27:19,910 --> 02:27:16,319
ufo is back

3648
02:27:23,349 --> 02:27:19,920
and what that was conrad um

3649
02:27:25,590 --> 02:27:23,359
uh what was conrad's response conrad's

3650
02:27:27,270 --> 02:27:25,600
response was well i've got um

3651
02:27:28,870 --> 02:27:27,280
this was a christmas party where they

3652
02:27:31,429 --> 02:27:28,880
recognized everyone for

3653
02:27:32,389 --> 02:27:31,439
good deeds had done during the year and

3654
02:27:35,830 --> 02:27:32,399
he had

3655
02:27:38,389 --> 02:27:35,840
still some um some rewards to

3656
02:27:40,309 --> 02:27:38,399
this show and he told colonel hall best

3657
02:27:42,070 --> 02:27:40,319
you get a party together and you go

3658
02:27:45,429 --> 02:27:42,080
investigate it

3659
02:27:48,950 --> 02:27:45,439
and uh uh neville's

3660
02:27:51,190 --> 02:27:48,960
it was neville's monroe and

3661
02:27:54,950 --> 02:27:51,200
uh who else i know that conrad was in

3662
02:27:57,030 --> 02:27:54,960
the room colonel halt's in the room

3663
02:27:58,550 --> 02:27:57,040
yeah well i mean this is where it all

3664
02:28:01,750 --> 02:27:58,560
gets cloudy because

3665
02:28:03,349 --> 02:28:01,760
up until recently colonel holt said he

3666
02:28:05,429 --> 02:28:03,359
didn't know anything about monroe and

3667
02:28:08,870 --> 02:28:05,439
neville's ever been there

3668
02:28:10,830 --> 02:28:08,880
right yeah and and and again it goes

3669
02:28:12,630 --> 02:28:10,840
back to the importance of this uh

3670
02:28:15,750 --> 02:28:12,640
timeline

3671
02:28:16,630 --> 02:28:15,760
but uh conrad he's got to issue orders

3672
02:28:19,030 --> 02:28:16,640
right

3673
02:28:21,429 --> 02:28:19,040
he's got to tell everybody what to do

3674
02:28:27,030 --> 02:28:21,439
yeah well he handed over to

3675
02:28:32,710 --> 02:28:30,309
because um debunker because

3676
02:28:34,790 --> 02:28:32,720
this is getting out of control the

3677
02:28:36,469 --> 02:28:34,800
airmen are spending more time looking up

3678
02:28:38,230 --> 02:28:36,479
into the sky than they are

3679
02:28:40,630 --> 02:28:38,240
protecting the assets that they're paid

3680
02:28:43,590 --> 02:28:40,640
for you need to sort this out

3681
02:28:45,349 --> 02:28:43,600
um before we head to the break uh uh at

3682
02:28:48,469 --> 02:28:45,359
this point colonel halt

3683
02:28:50,389 --> 02:28:48,479
um not exactly at this point but now

3684
02:28:52,870 --> 02:28:50,399
he's got to go and investigate

3685
02:28:53,990 --> 02:28:52,880
and he picks up the phone and i think

3686
02:28:57,429 --> 02:28:54,000
it's a very interesting

3687
02:29:01,830 --> 02:28:57,439
call he calls disaster preparedness

3688
02:29:05,590 --> 02:29:01,840
on call officer captain sue jones

3689
02:29:08,230 --> 02:29:05,600
yeah he does that he asks sir

3690
02:29:10,150 --> 02:29:08,240
this is weird because he asks her who

3691
02:29:13,110 --> 02:29:10,160
the on-duty person is

3692
02:29:13,510 --> 02:29:13,120
on disaster preparedness and she says

3693
02:29:16,950 --> 02:29:13,520
well

3694
02:29:18,630 --> 02:29:16,960
that's um monroe neville's and

3695
02:29:23,750 --> 02:29:18,640
according to monroe neville's he was

3696
02:29:26,870 --> 02:29:23,760
stood there next to bruce england

3697
02:29:30,309 --> 02:29:26,880
and uh now

3698
02:29:33,270 --> 02:29:30,319
they've got to pick up some gear um and

3699
02:29:34,230 --> 02:29:33,280
and halt and this is uh so interesting

3700
02:29:36,070 --> 02:29:34,240
to me

3701
02:29:37,510 --> 02:29:36,080
uh they've got to get some gear so the

3702
02:29:38,309 --> 02:29:37,520
first thing they think about is like a

3703
02:29:41,510 --> 02:29:38,319
camera

3704
02:29:42,550 --> 02:29:41,520
right a geiger counter which uh plays a

3705
02:29:46,230 --> 02:29:42,560
pivotal role

3706
02:29:50,469 --> 02:29:46,240
in everything that happens uh after this

3707
02:29:53,590 --> 02:29:50,479
um zickler gets involved uh

3708
02:29:57,429 --> 02:29:53,600
robert ball he's another master sergeant

3709
02:30:01,670 --> 02:30:00,469
and uh i'm watching uh i'm watching

3710
02:30:04,389 --> 02:30:01,680
ronnie on the camera

3711
02:30:05,349 --> 02:30:04,399
so but but uh yeah it's pretty funny and

3712
02:30:06,950 --> 02:30:05,359
so

3713
02:30:08,630 --> 02:30:06,960
they get the whole crew together and

3714
02:30:09,910 --> 02:30:08,640
they head out but they've got to change

3715
02:30:13,349 --> 02:30:09,920
first

3716
02:30:14,150 --> 02:30:13,359
yeah yeah so what happens and we've got

3717
02:30:15,750 --> 02:30:14,160
uh

3718
02:30:17,349 --> 02:30:15,760
actually let's just pick that up after

3719
02:30:18,550 --> 02:30:17,359
the break let's do that now i can

3720
02:30:20,150 --> 02:30:18,560
squeeze it in

3721
02:30:22,469 --> 02:30:20,160
this is fade to black our guest tonight

3722
02:30:24,469 --> 02:30:22,479
ronnie dugdale uh we're talking about

3723
02:30:26,710 --> 02:30:24,479
his very important timeline now

3724
02:30:27,910 --> 02:30:26,720
it took me like a day to read through

3725
02:30:30,870 --> 02:30:27,920
this timeline

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02:30:31,590 --> 02:30:30,880
we're doing a very abridged version of

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it

3728
02:30:36,550 --> 02:30:34,880
absolutely extraordinary

3729
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i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

3730
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to black more with ronnie after this

3731
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short break

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and we're going to get into the third

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night stay with us we'll be right back

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3840
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3841
02:35:41,190 --> 02:35:39,600
welcome back fade to black i wish

3842
02:35:43,270 --> 02:35:41,200
everybody could see what's going on

3843
02:35:47,670 --> 02:35:43,280
between ronnie and i right now

3844
02:35:49,910 --> 02:35:47,680
totally live radio comedy in that uh

3845
02:35:51,590 --> 02:35:49,920
we're heading into overtime here and

3846
02:35:54,790 --> 02:35:51,600
ronnie can hear me

3847
02:35:55,910 --> 02:35:54,800
right i can uh you know but but i can't

3848
02:36:00,469 --> 02:35:55,920
hear him

3849
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it had to explain uh you're

3850
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you're if if somebody could hear you uh

3851
02:36:10,630 --> 02:36:08,240
during the break ronnie

3852
02:36:11,349 --> 02:36:10,640
or if i could hear you everybody can

3853
02:36:13,990 --> 02:36:11,359
hear you

3854
02:36:14,389 --> 02:36:14,000
all right see so but you can hear me

3855
02:36:16,230 --> 02:36:14,399
because

3856
02:36:18,710 --> 02:36:16,240
this this button here this is our

3857
02:36:21,750 --> 02:36:18,720
talkback that feeds directly into

3858
02:36:21,990 --> 02:36:21,760
your headphones nobody can hear that but

3859
02:36:26,710 --> 02:36:22,000
so

3860
02:36:29,429 --> 02:36:26,720
all excited

3861
02:36:32,230 --> 02:36:29,439
dude i can't hear you so ronnie starts

3862
02:36:37,429 --> 02:36:35,910
i can see him shouting oh that is just

3863
02:36:38,070 --> 02:36:37,439
so funny that was great that's awesome

3864
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stuff

3865
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all right now this is what is great for

3866
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the audience

3867
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we're gonna we're gonna get away from

3868
02:36:48,230 --> 02:36:45,680
colonel halt we're gonna

3869
02:36:49,270 --> 02:36:48,240
avoid all of that uh the story's been

3870
02:36:50,790 --> 02:36:49,280
told so many times

3871
02:36:52,550 --> 02:36:50,800
we're going to avoid that we're going to

3872
02:36:55,910 --> 02:36:52,560
talk about something that

3873
02:36:59,510 --> 02:36:55,920
nobody has probably heard before

3874
02:37:02,710 --> 02:36:59,520
and that is airman bathroom's

3875
02:37:03,670 --> 02:37:02,720
incident and now now ronnie i'm going to

3876
02:37:06,710 --> 02:37:03,680
tell you right now

3877
02:37:10,550 --> 02:37:06,720
when i read i was like holy crap right

3878
02:37:13,750 --> 02:37:10,560
this this is as extraordinary

3879
02:37:16,230 --> 02:37:13,760
as as the first night the second night

3880
02:37:17,510 --> 02:37:16,240
and and what was about to happen on the

3881
02:37:20,630 --> 02:37:17,520
third night

3882
02:37:23,510 --> 02:37:20,640
but it's airmen bathroom so let's let's

3883
02:37:24,630 --> 02:37:23,520
let's talk i want everybody to lean

3884
02:37:27,910 --> 02:37:24,640
forward and

3885
02:37:31,030 --> 02:37:27,920
just listen to this what uh what was

3886
02:37:34,309 --> 02:37:31,040
what was his story i'll take it um

3887
02:37:34,790 --> 02:37:34,319
okay so great was on the patrol around

3888
02:37:37,110 --> 02:37:34,800
um

3889
02:37:38,389 --> 02:37:37,120
the woodbridge base and they observed

3890
02:37:41,910 --> 02:37:38,399
lights going off

3891
02:37:42,710 --> 02:37:41,920
over the um rendelsome forest and so he

3892
02:37:44,630 --> 02:37:42,720
called it in

3893
02:37:47,270 --> 02:37:44,640
and they gave him permission to go off

3894
02:37:49,750 --> 02:37:47,280
base and investigate it

3895
02:37:50,469 --> 02:37:49,760
so um they went off base i think it was

3896
02:37:54,309 --> 02:37:50,479
probably about

3897
02:37:57,349 --> 02:37:54,319
four of them but they took their weapons

3898
02:38:00,469 --> 02:37:57,359
with them and they

3899
02:38:01,429 --> 02:38:00,479
came across a mist coming up from the

3900
02:38:04,070 --> 02:38:01,439
ground

3901
02:38:04,870 --> 02:38:04,080
with something in the middle of the the

3902
02:38:07,830 --> 02:38:04,880
mist

3903
02:38:09,429 --> 02:38:07,840
that was distorting and changing shape

3904
02:38:11,510 --> 02:38:09,439
one minute that looked like a

3905
02:38:13,510 --> 02:38:11,520
an aspirin the next minute the aspirin

3906
02:38:14,230 --> 02:38:13,520
shaped next minute looked mushroom

3907
02:38:16,309 --> 02:38:14,240
shaped

3908
02:38:19,429 --> 02:38:16,319
but they didn't like what they were

3909
02:38:22,389 --> 02:38:19,439
feeling now i've heard from an uncon

3910
02:38:23,590 --> 02:38:22,399
firmed report that someone opened fire

3911
02:38:25,990 --> 02:38:23,600
on

3912
02:38:27,670 --> 02:38:26,000
but they ran for their lives and as they

3913
02:38:29,030 --> 02:38:27,680
came out of the forest they bumped into

3914
02:38:31,030 --> 02:38:29,040
bustings or in england

3915
02:38:32,790 --> 02:38:31,040
who were then coming into the forest

3916
02:38:35,510 --> 02:38:32,800
because um

3917
02:38:36,630 --> 02:38:35,520
and airmen i think his name was markham

3918
02:38:39,270 --> 02:38:36,640
down at the eastgate

3919
02:38:40,389 --> 02:38:39,280
reporting that he wasn't happy that he'd

3920
02:38:42,469 --> 02:38:40,399
been seeing lights

3921
02:38:44,790 --> 02:38:42,479
on the forest and they scared him and he

3922
02:38:48,469 --> 02:38:44,800
didn't stay there any longer

3923
02:38:49,990 --> 02:38:48,479
now um they reported and correct me

3924
02:38:53,030 --> 02:38:50,000
again if i'm wrong

3925
02:38:54,389 --> 02:38:53,040
they reported seeing the lights over the

3926
02:38:57,670 --> 02:38:54,399
forest

3927
02:38:59,110 --> 02:38:57,680
and then land and enter land and enter

3928
02:39:02,389 --> 02:38:59,120
the forest and descend

3929
02:39:04,950 --> 02:39:02,399
into the forest yes correct and they're

3930
02:39:06,950 --> 02:39:04,960
armed it's bathroom and three other guys

3931
02:39:10,630 --> 02:39:06,960
they go in and they start shooting

3932
02:39:14,070 --> 02:39:10,640
right well why but but why

3933
02:39:17,590 --> 02:39:14,080
why isn't this uh a part of

3934
02:39:18,389 --> 02:39:17,600
uh the bigger picture um maybe it's part

3935
02:39:22,830 --> 02:39:18,399
of the cover-up

3936
02:39:25,030 --> 02:39:22,840
to me i don't know so uh

3937
02:39:28,070 --> 02:39:25,040
uh what happens next

3938
02:39:31,990 --> 02:39:28,080
i i know that they uh uh they

3939
02:39:32,870 --> 02:39:32,000
exit the woods but uh they reported now

3940
02:39:35,110 --> 02:39:32,880
let's go back

3941
02:39:37,190 --> 02:39:35,120
let's start comparing a couple of things

3942
02:39:39,750 --> 02:39:37,200
here airman bertram

3943
02:39:40,950 --> 02:39:39,760
reported this object again about a

3944
02:39:43,990 --> 02:39:40,960
hundred feet across

3945
02:39:47,110 --> 02:39:44,000
if we go back to uh the sighting

3946
02:39:50,469 --> 02:39:47,120
of uh on bunker hill we have

3947
02:39:53,830 --> 02:39:50,479
nearly the same type of description

3948
02:39:55,990 --> 02:39:53,840
right so this this was indeed

3949
02:39:57,190 --> 02:39:56,000
uh when you put all of these accounts

3950
02:40:00,389 --> 02:39:57,200
together

3951
02:40:02,710 --> 02:40:00,399
um the same type of craft

3952
02:40:03,429 --> 02:40:02,720
the same thing was observed uh going

3953
02:40:07,750 --> 02:40:03,439
back to

3954
02:40:10,469 --> 02:40:07,760
18 year old lori um

3955
02:40:10,950 --> 02:40:10,479
a group of lights uh inside of the

3956
02:40:15,190 --> 02:40:10,960
forest

3957
02:40:18,469 --> 02:40:15,200
three nights in a row

3958
02:40:20,230 --> 02:40:18,479
yeah i think the only um the the only

3959
02:40:21,910 --> 02:40:20,240
thing that was the same with all the

3960
02:40:24,630 --> 02:40:21,920
satans was this um

3961
02:40:26,550 --> 02:40:24,640
yellow green mist that emanated off the

3962
02:40:28,630 --> 02:40:26,560
floor of the forest for perhaps

3963
02:40:30,230 --> 02:40:28,640
three or four feet and in the middle of

3964
02:40:32,790 --> 02:40:30,240
it was this

3965
02:40:33,990 --> 02:40:32,800
craft or something that was distorting

3966
02:40:36,150 --> 02:40:34,000
in place all the while

3967
02:40:38,150 --> 02:40:36,160
there's something that bathroom reported

3968
02:40:38,790 --> 02:40:38,160
as something that bustings are reported

3969
02:40:40,870 --> 02:40:38,800
as well

3970
02:40:42,710 --> 02:40:40,880
and there's something that busting's

3971
02:40:43,910 --> 02:40:42,720
reported on the third night with john

3972
02:40:46,710 --> 02:40:43,920
burroughs

3973
02:40:47,349 --> 02:40:46,720
and so they're running out of the woods

3974
02:40:50,870 --> 02:40:47,359
right yeah

3975
02:40:53,429 --> 02:40:50,880
they bump into england who is arriving

3976
02:40:53,910 --> 02:40:53,439
uh england reports them back to the base

3977
02:41:02,070 --> 02:40:53,920
did

3978
02:41:06,469 --> 02:41:02,080
is there any paperwork on uh

3979
02:41:09,349 --> 02:41:06,479
on their siding okay so the only um

3980
02:41:10,710 --> 02:41:09,359
the only paperwork with any debriefings

3981
02:41:13,990 --> 02:41:10,720
is the

3982
02:41:14,950 --> 02:41:14,000
um witness testimonies that colonel halt

3983
02:41:17,429 --> 02:41:14,960
took

3984
02:41:18,389 --> 02:41:17,439
several days after the events which is

3985
02:41:22,070 --> 02:41:18,399
um

3986
02:41:25,590 --> 02:41:24,469
not official because they didn't include

3987
02:41:28,870 --> 02:41:25,600
the first page

3988
02:41:32,630 --> 02:41:28,880
of the usi report now

3989
02:41:35,990 --> 02:41:32,640
um this is the other part of

3990
02:41:37,990 --> 02:41:36,000
of the timeline

3991
02:41:39,269 --> 02:41:38,000
that i want to address directly and i

3992
02:41:41,429 --> 02:41:39,279
know you heard the show

3993
02:41:43,590 --> 02:41:41,439
uh last week with burroughs but i

3994
02:41:45,269 --> 02:41:43,600
brought this up with john

3995
02:41:46,870 --> 02:41:45,279
and i i believe john said you know i

3996
02:41:47,830 --> 02:41:46,880
think you need to talk to ronnie about

3997
02:41:51,269 --> 02:41:47,840
this so let's let's

3998
02:41:52,950 --> 02:41:51,279
let's let's get to this because um

3999
02:41:55,030 --> 02:41:52,960
they're they're coming out of the base

4000
02:41:57,510 --> 02:41:55,040
or they're coming out of the forest

4001
02:41:58,150 --> 02:41:57,520
england says okay bathroom you and the

4002
02:42:01,110 --> 02:41:58,160
boys

4003
02:42:01,910 --> 02:42:01,120
uh you're ordered back to the base um at

4004
02:42:05,349 --> 02:42:01,920
this point

4005
02:42:09,110 --> 02:42:05,359
uh bustinza uh pulls up in

4006
02:42:12,230 --> 02:42:09,120
in his jeep now

4007
02:42:16,550 --> 02:42:12,240
we've got two versions of the story

4008
02:42:19,590 --> 02:42:16,560
yeah one that mustenza wasn't with halt

4009
02:42:21,349 --> 02:42:19,600
and then the one that bustinza never

4010
02:42:23,670 --> 02:42:21,359
left halt's side

4011
02:42:26,230 --> 02:42:23,680
but drove back and forth between the

4012
02:42:28,950 --> 02:42:26,240
bases picking up the lightholes

4013
02:42:30,469 --> 02:42:28,960
let's can we can we start to clean this

4014
02:42:33,190 --> 02:42:30,479
part up

4015
02:42:35,110 --> 02:42:33,200
okay so first of all when colonel halt

4016
02:42:38,389 --> 02:42:35,120
come on the ufo circuit

4017
02:42:42,150 --> 02:42:38,399
he said that john borrows and um

4018
02:42:45,910 --> 02:42:42,160
adrian bustinza were not involved at all

4019
02:42:49,190 --> 02:42:45,920
that wasn't on on the third night

4020
02:42:51,910 --> 02:42:49,200
on any night oh on any night okay yeah

4021
02:42:53,429 --> 02:42:51,920
so buns bustings well holt was only

4022
02:42:54,309 --> 02:42:53,439
involved in the third night so let's go

4023
02:42:57,830 --> 02:42:54,319
with the third night

4024
02:42:58,710 --> 02:42:57,840
sure so yeah so he told them georgina

4025
02:43:01,510 --> 02:42:58,720
broney

4026
02:43:02,309 --> 02:43:01,520
that hulk um that bustlings and was not

4027
02:43:04,870 --> 02:43:02,319
involved

4028
02:43:05,910 --> 02:43:04,880
on the third night noah still and noah's

4029
02:43:09,269 --> 02:43:05,920
john borrows

4030
02:43:12,469 --> 02:43:09,279
at all not all now

4031
02:43:15,269 --> 02:43:12,479
georgina bruni she was a very very

4032
02:43:16,630 --> 02:43:15,279
very good investigator and if you

4033
02:43:18,309 --> 02:43:16,640
haven't read a book

4034
02:43:20,710 --> 02:43:18,319
you can't tell the people then you

4035
02:43:22,309 --> 02:43:20,720
should do because there's lots of clues

4036
02:43:24,230 --> 02:43:22,319
in there and

4037
02:43:25,590 --> 02:43:24,240
bless her heart she departed this earth

4038
02:43:30,630 --> 02:43:25,600
a long while ago

4039
02:43:37,510 --> 02:43:34,230
what happened was she got hold

4040
02:43:39,429 --> 02:43:37,520
of a cleaned up version of the hulk tape

4041
02:43:41,429 --> 02:43:39,439
now there was lots of versions of the

4042
02:43:42,150 --> 02:43:41,439
whole tape going about in the uk at the

4043
02:43:45,670 --> 02:43:42,160
time

4044
02:43:48,870 --> 02:43:45,680
and they were very very hard to decipher

4045
02:43:52,309 --> 02:43:48,880
she got in contact with um colonel

4046
02:43:53,349 --> 02:43:52,319
morgan who was once the deputy base

4047
02:43:56,469 --> 02:43:53,359
commander

4048
02:43:57,750 --> 02:43:56,479
and asked him for um could she have a

4049
02:44:00,550 --> 02:43:57,760
first generation

4050
02:44:02,389 --> 02:44:00,560
of the tape because we knew he he had it

4051
02:44:05,670 --> 02:44:02,399
because he'd already sent

4052
02:44:08,630 --> 02:44:05,680
copies of the tape to um investigators

4053
02:44:09,670 --> 02:44:08,640
harry harris and dot street in the uk

4054
02:44:11,750 --> 02:44:09,680
before

4055
02:44:12,710 --> 02:44:11,760
but she asked him did he have a first

4056
02:44:14,550 --> 02:44:12,720
generation

4057
02:44:15,830 --> 02:44:14,560
and he said he was moving house but he

4058
02:44:18,950 --> 02:44:15,840
would send it to her

4059
02:44:19,830 --> 02:44:18,960
anyway in between time the wing

4060
02:44:22,469 --> 02:44:19,840
commander

4061
02:44:24,550 --> 02:44:22,479
gordon williams he got hold of the tape

4062
02:44:25,990 --> 02:44:24,560
and georgina begged it off him and she

4063
02:44:29,349 --> 02:44:26,000
sent it to him on the

4064
02:44:33,110 --> 02:44:29,359
proviso that she sent it back to

4065
02:44:36,150 --> 02:44:33,120
um morgan at the end of that

4066
02:44:38,630 --> 02:44:36,160
and when she played the tape

4067
02:44:40,870 --> 02:44:38,640
that was a lot more information on that

4068
02:44:43,990 --> 02:44:40,880
tape what was on the tape ops in the

4069
02:44:45,429 --> 02:44:44,000
public domain and on that she heard john

4070
02:44:48,070 --> 02:44:45,439
borra's voice

4071
02:44:49,750 --> 02:44:48,080
and she heard adrian bustins up until

4072
02:44:50,389 --> 02:44:49,760
then colonel holt said they weren't

4073
02:44:52,870 --> 02:44:50,399
involved

4074
02:44:54,710 --> 02:44:52,880
now b can't deny it because they're on

4075
02:44:57,990 --> 02:44:54,720
the tape

4076
02:45:01,590 --> 02:44:58,000
and so and um

4077
02:45:05,070 --> 02:45:01,600
i've heard uh both versions of

4078
02:45:08,790 --> 02:45:05,080
of the tape and my

4079
02:45:12,070 --> 02:45:08,800
original uh listening

4080
02:45:15,349 --> 02:45:12,080
uh to the tape was the version that was

4081
02:45:18,389 --> 02:45:15,359
edited and was out of sequence and i and

4082
02:45:20,790 --> 02:45:18,399
and i think it was confusing a lot of us

4083
02:45:21,429 --> 02:45:20,800
back then well because now the timeline

4084
02:45:25,269 --> 02:45:21,439
is is

4085
02:45:29,110 --> 02:45:25,279
out of order you could hear

4086
02:45:30,389 --> 02:45:29,120
um the events it was like people were

4087
02:45:33,269 --> 02:45:30,399
time traveling

4088
02:45:35,269 --> 02:45:33,279
and i was having a hard time uh trying

4089
02:45:38,630 --> 02:45:35,279
to figure out what was going on

4090
02:45:40,870 --> 02:45:38,640
and i had the transcription of it and

4091
02:45:44,150 --> 02:45:40,880
i'm like wait a minute

4092
02:45:46,630 --> 02:45:44,160
they are definitely in two places

4093
02:45:49,269 --> 02:45:46,640
right they're jumping back and forth and

4094
02:45:50,630 --> 02:45:49,279
then we got the unedited version of the

4095
02:45:53,269 --> 02:45:50,640
tape and you're going to hear that

4096
02:45:55,429 --> 02:45:53,279
and where it's in order it's two

4097
02:45:58,309 --> 02:45:55,439
completely different things

4098
02:46:00,309 --> 02:45:58,319
right yes and and i know that you've

4099
02:46:01,990 --> 02:46:00,319
heard both versions of the tape

4100
02:46:04,309 --> 02:46:02,000
but you can hear the investigation

4101
02:46:05,910 --> 02:46:04,319
jumping around the radiation readings

4102
02:46:08,230 --> 02:46:05,920
and then they're somewhere else and now

4103
02:46:10,550 --> 02:46:08,240
they're back doing measurements and and

4104
02:46:12,469 --> 02:46:10,560
radiation stuff with the geiger counter

4105
02:46:13,750 --> 02:46:12,479
so clearly somebody got a hold of the

4106
02:46:17,030 --> 02:46:13,760
tape and chopped it up

4107
02:46:17,750 --> 02:46:17,040
didn't they absolutely on the tape you

4108
02:46:19,990 --> 02:46:17,760
hear

4109
02:46:21,910 --> 02:46:20,000
um bruce england saying they're still

4110
02:46:25,830 --> 02:46:21,920
flying around

4111
02:46:27,990 --> 02:46:25,840
and then that goes back to the radiation

4112
02:46:30,309 --> 02:46:28,000
readings and then that says we are

4113
02:46:32,630 --> 02:46:30,319
observing the first light we've seen

4114
02:46:35,910 --> 02:46:32,640
just been chopped about i mean and

4115
02:46:38,309 --> 02:46:35,920
andrew pike in his um

4116
02:46:39,269 --> 02:46:38,319
he brought a book called the rents on

4117
02:46:42,870 --> 02:46:39,279
files

4118
02:46:45,910 --> 02:46:42,880
his family were um

4119
02:46:47,590 --> 02:46:45,920
sound recorders they knew how to

4120
02:46:49,670 --> 02:46:47,600
decipher between

4121
02:46:50,870 --> 02:46:49,680
a stop and start which colonel hall

4122
02:46:54,469 --> 02:46:50,880
always said he'd done

4123
02:46:57,910 --> 02:46:54,479
right and also a edit

4124
02:47:01,349 --> 02:46:57,920
and there is a big big gap

4125
02:47:04,469 --> 02:47:01,359
in the tape which is edited now

4126
02:47:07,349 --> 02:47:04,479
uh so after

4127
02:47:07,910 --> 02:47:07,359
the and i'm not trying to put uh chuck

4128
02:47:11,190 --> 02:47:07,920
halt

4129
02:47:13,510 --> 02:47:11,200
on the spot here um and he's probably

4130
02:47:15,110 --> 02:47:13,520
either listening or listen to this show

4131
02:47:17,910 --> 02:47:15,120
at a later time

4132
02:47:20,150 --> 02:47:17,920
and i'm not trying to do that um and and

4133
02:47:24,070 --> 02:47:20,160
people's memories change over time

4134
02:47:25,030 --> 02:47:24,080
i understand that too but either adrian

4135
02:47:28,550 --> 02:47:25,040
bestenza

4136
02:47:31,429 --> 02:47:28,560
was there and and the timeline was what

4137
02:47:35,030 --> 02:47:31,439
it was and it was adrian's voice

4138
02:47:38,230 --> 02:47:35,040
that is having trouble with the radio

4139
02:47:41,750 --> 02:47:38,240
right which would indicate his presence

4140
02:47:44,790 --> 02:47:41,760
and and also uh chuck halt

4141
02:47:47,750 --> 02:47:44,800
personally picked his team on the spot

4142
02:47:48,309 --> 02:47:47,760
who he wanted to go into the forest and

4143
02:47:54,950 --> 02:47:48,319
that was

4144
02:47:56,630 --> 02:47:54,960
uh monroe neville's and yeah and adrian

4145
02:48:00,790 --> 02:47:56,640
bistenza

4146
02:48:06,150 --> 02:48:03,190
yeah that's where we are today but he

4147
02:48:10,230 --> 02:48:06,160
sent bustings away

4148
02:48:13,429 --> 02:48:10,240
and uh now after

4149
02:48:15,110 --> 02:48:13,439
after all of this right and we know

4150
02:48:15,670 --> 02:48:15,120
about the events that were going on in

4151
02:48:17,190 --> 02:48:15,680
the woods

4152
02:48:19,830 --> 02:48:17,200
and i'm looking at the clock i want to

4153
02:48:23,670 --> 02:48:19,840
get this uh this last part out

4154
02:48:25,269 --> 02:48:23,680
okay because it's probably the most

4155
02:48:27,349 --> 02:48:25,279
extreme i keep saying that right the

4156
02:48:29,349 --> 02:48:27,359
second night was the biggest night the

4157
02:48:31,670 --> 02:48:29,359
first night was the most important

4158
02:48:33,030 --> 02:48:31,680
the third night and we've got bathroom

4159
02:48:36,070 --> 02:48:33,040
and and things

4160
02:48:38,469 --> 02:48:36,080
but now we've got the farmhouse

4161
02:48:40,469 --> 02:48:38,479
and we've got a craft that has landed

4162
02:48:41,269 --> 02:48:40,479
and we've got a group of people around

4163
02:48:44,389 --> 02:48:41,279
it

4164
02:48:48,309 --> 02:48:44,399
and we've got all kinds

4165
02:48:50,230 --> 02:48:48,319
of different eyewitness testimony here

4166
02:48:51,429 --> 02:48:50,240
i'm going to say one thing really quick

4167
02:48:57,030 --> 02:48:51,439
is this

4168
02:48:58,309 --> 02:48:57,040
witnesses to a car accident where you're

4169
02:49:00,710 --> 02:48:58,319
not going to get the same

4170
02:49:03,670 --> 02:49:00,720
exact story out of everybody that see

4171
02:49:05,670 --> 02:49:03,680
the car accident at the same time

4172
02:49:08,469 --> 02:49:05,680
well i don't believe i don't believe

4173
02:49:10,469 --> 02:49:08,479
that jimmy i think that's a situation

4174
02:49:11,510 --> 02:49:10,479
of that some people's memories have been

4175
02:49:13,590 --> 02:49:11,520
meddled with

4176
02:49:14,630 --> 02:49:13,600
to make them believe different things

4177
02:49:17,269 --> 02:49:14,640
because i'm sure

4178
02:49:18,309 --> 02:49:17,279
that um what colonel holt has reported

4179
02:49:21,429 --> 02:49:18,319
he believes

4180
02:49:24,950 --> 02:49:21,439
and monroe neville's has believed and

4181
02:49:28,790 --> 02:49:24,960
um bastinza believes what he's seen

4182
02:49:30,790 --> 02:49:28,800
but hi how do i put this

4183
02:49:32,630 --> 02:49:30,800
i've had more information come to me

4184
02:49:36,710 --> 02:49:32,640
from other airmen

4185
02:49:40,150 --> 02:49:36,720
who favor bustings account that they did

4186
02:49:40,870 --> 02:49:40,160
surround a craft now one thing a few

4187
02:49:44,550 --> 02:49:40,880
years back

4188
02:49:46,309 --> 02:49:44,560
i came across a radio suffolk broadcast

4189
02:49:47,910 --> 02:49:46,319
where someone who was in contact with

4190
02:49:50,950 --> 02:49:47,920
colonel hull

4191
02:49:53,349 --> 02:49:50,960
and i think perhaps this is pre

4192
02:49:54,150 --> 02:49:53,359
the the incident coming out in the news

4193
02:49:56,870 --> 02:49:54,160
the world

4194
02:49:57,750 --> 02:49:56,880
i think perhaps colonel holt was selling

4195
02:50:01,269 --> 02:49:57,760
this story

4196
02:50:04,630 --> 02:50:01,279
to these people and he got memorandum

4197
02:50:05,990 --> 02:50:04,640
from colonel hull and he said at one

4198
02:50:08,870 --> 02:50:06,000
time

4199
02:50:09,670 --> 02:50:08,880
they surrounded the craft and tried to

4200
02:50:11,750 --> 02:50:09,680
get in it

4201
02:50:12,950 --> 02:50:11,760
and on it and i've got that radio

4202
02:50:16,150 --> 02:50:12,960
broadcast on

4203
02:50:18,950 --> 02:50:16,160
uh old-fashioned tape recording

4204
02:50:20,150 --> 02:50:18,960
and it's there's more to this than meet

4205
02:50:23,269 --> 02:50:20,160
the eye

4206
02:50:25,510 --> 02:50:23,279
i believe busting now um i

4207
02:50:27,510 --> 02:50:25,520
i know that you heard john and i speak

4208
02:50:31,830 --> 02:50:27,520
about this specifically

4209
02:50:34,550 --> 02:50:31,840
on the show last week um john doesn't

4210
02:50:36,070 --> 02:50:34,560
remember this um and i know that you've

4211
02:50:39,269 --> 02:50:36,080
heard john's account of this

4212
02:50:42,550 --> 02:50:39,279
and and and i i believe john but

4213
02:50:45,030 --> 02:50:42,560
bustinza and others have said exactly

4214
02:50:47,110 --> 02:50:45,040
what you are saying here

4215
02:50:48,790 --> 02:50:47,120
it's a pretty extraordinary moment here

4216
02:50:52,630 --> 02:50:48,800
we have a a large

4217
02:50:55,110 --> 02:50:52,640
group of military personnel surrounding

4218
02:50:56,710 --> 02:50:55,120
a craft in the field next to the

4219
02:50:59,830 --> 02:50:56,720
farmer's house

4220
02:51:02,790 --> 02:50:59,840
and they talked about

4221
02:51:03,510 --> 02:51:02,800
getting on the craft as well as trying

4222
02:51:06,550 --> 02:51:03,520
to break

4223
02:51:08,150 --> 02:51:06,560
into it absolutely but we're not talking

4224
02:51:09,910 --> 02:51:08,160
about what john knows

4225
02:51:11,670 --> 02:51:09,920
what john and best things happened was

4226
02:51:13,349 --> 02:51:11,680
later in the evening this is what

4227
02:51:15,429 --> 02:51:13,359
happened in the farmers field

4228
02:51:16,550 --> 02:51:15,439
that some people knows was keppel green

4229
02:51:19,590 --> 02:51:16,560
right right

4230
02:51:22,790 --> 02:51:19,600
now um what

4231
02:51:25,990 --> 02:51:22,800
were let's just ask the direct

4232
02:51:28,469 --> 02:51:26,000
question what were they seeing

4233
02:51:29,030 --> 02:51:28,479
were they seeing a physical craft and

4234
02:51:31,830 --> 02:51:29,040
and

4235
02:51:35,110 --> 02:51:31,840
look i've only got uh eight minutes left

4236
02:51:38,870 --> 02:51:35,120
because now we also have to bring in

4237
02:51:39,190 --> 02:51:38,880
larry warren right and and i brought up

4238
02:51:40,710 --> 02:51:39,200
uh

4239
02:51:42,230 --> 02:51:40,720
last week on the show i got to make this

4240
02:51:42,870 --> 02:51:42,240
quick because i need to get all of this

4241
02:51:48,870 --> 02:51:42,880
in

4242
02:51:50,630 --> 02:51:48,880
until the very end he's got the

4243
02:51:53,830 --> 02:51:50,640
honorable mention right

4244
02:51:56,950 --> 02:51:53,840
yeah okay um

4245
02:52:01,670 --> 02:51:56,960
why why wasn't

4246
02:52:05,030 --> 02:52:01,680
larry's account that is well publicized

4247
02:52:06,389 --> 02:52:05,040
not part of this timeline right because

4248
02:52:10,469 --> 02:52:06,399
i believe

4249
02:52:14,070 --> 02:52:10,479
that larry's timeline was what bustinza

4250
02:52:17,590 --> 02:52:14,080
um gave to larry because he felt

4251
02:52:20,870 --> 02:52:17,600
it that needed needed to get out and

4252
02:52:22,070 --> 02:52:20,880
who else can verify that warren was

4253
02:52:25,429 --> 02:52:22,080
there

4254
02:52:26,150 --> 02:52:25,439
no one busting zara said and been on the

4255
02:52:29,110 --> 02:52:26,160
record

4256
02:52:29,510 --> 02:52:29,120
on a few occasions that larry was there

4257
02:52:31,830 --> 02:52:29,520
and

4258
02:52:33,510 --> 02:52:31,840
i've never ever spoke out against that

4259
02:52:34,150 --> 02:52:33,520
if that's what bustings or things and

4260
02:52:37,190 --> 02:52:34,160
feels

4261
02:52:39,349 --> 02:52:37,200
that's fine but my own feeling is that

4262
02:52:41,670 --> 02:52:39,359
larry was probably there

4263
02:52:43,510 --> 02:52:41,680
but not in the main event because that

4264
02:52:44,710 --> 02:52:43,520
what he that's what he was running

4265
02:52:48,150 --> 02:52:44,720
around the base

4266
02:52:51,510 --> 02:52:48,160
the base saying is that he was um

4267
02:52:53,349 --> 02:52:51,520
mad because he missed the main event but

4268
02:52:55,110 --> 02:52:53,359
busting's a lot to get the story out and

4269
02:52:58,870 --> 02:52:55,120
he gave it to larry

4270
02:53:02,230 --> 02:52:58,880
now uh larry's

4271
02:53:03,110 --> 02:53:02,240
drawing of the craft right yeah and it's

4272
02:53:07,110 --> 02:53:03,120
pretty cool

4273
02:53:11,349 --> 02:53:07,120
and a good story yeah okay

4274
02:53:14,790 --> 02:53:11,359
okay his drawing of the craft

4275
02:53:15,349 --> 02:53:14,800
are you suggesting here that that craft

4276
02:53:18,389 --> 02:53:15,359
that

4277
02:53:21,830 --> 02:53:18,399
is

4278
02:53:24,870 --> 02:53:21,840
gustanz's description and not what

4279
02:53:25,830 --> 02:53:24,880
larry personally witnessed now i think

4280
02:53:27,990 --> 02:53:25,840
that's what larry

4281
02:53:29,030 --> 02:53:28,000
says happened and he might have been

4282
02:53:31,990 --> 02:53:29,040
under pressure to

4283
02:53:32,790 --> 02:53:32,000
to provide a drawing or a description of

4284
02:53:35,429 --> 02:53:32,800
what happened

4285
02:53:36,070 --> 02:53:35,439
but by students that was always said

4286
02:53:42,710 --> 02:53:36,080
that

4287
02:53:45,510 --> 02:53:42,720
discipline aspirin shape

4288
02:53:45,750 --> 02:53:45,520
to a mushroom and he couldn't describe

4289
02:53:48,070 --> 02:53:45,760
it

4290
02:53:49,110 --> 02:53:48,080
because that was how he said there was

4291
02:53:52,230 --> 02:53:49,120
all sorts of

4292
02:53:55,190 --> 02:53:52,240
um gadgets coming off the craft right

4293
02:53:55,990 --> 02:53:55,200
but he couldn't make it out now the

4294
02:53:58,710 --> 02:53:56,000
craft

4295
02:54:00,309 --> 02:53:58,720
that uh has been described in the

4296
02:54:04,070 --> 02:54:00,319
farmer's field

4297
02:54:06,389 --> 02:54:04,080
yeah is not jim penniston's craft that

4298
02:54:08,710 --> 02:54:06,399
he has described in the forest

4299
02:54:10,389 --> 02:54:08,720
no absolutely not because the craft in

4300
02:54:12,389 --> 02:54:10,399
the field was 30 feet across

4301
02:54:13,750 --> 02:54:12,399
right and the one jim peniston said was

4302
02:54:15,990 --> 02:54:13,760
nine foot across

4303
02:54:16,870 --> 02:54:16,000
and pennison always described it as

4304
02:54:21,670 --> 02:54:16,880
angular

4305
02:54:25,670 --> 02:54:21,680
right yeah

4306
02:54:28,469 --> 02:54:25,680
and what was in the field uh to me

4307
02:54:31,030 --> 02:54:28,479
uh looks more organic if i could

4308
02:54:33,349 --> 02:54:31,040
describe it that way a physical craft

4309
02:54:35,910 --> 02:54:33,359
but it was an angular this was

4310
02:54:38,710 --> 02:54:35,920
dome-shaped and had a strange

4311
02:54:39,910 --> 02:54:38,720
surface to it yeah that was constantly

4312
02:54:43,429 --> 02:54:39,920
distorting

4313
02:54:46,230 --> 02:54:43,439
right right now um

4314
02:54:46,790 --> 02:54:46,240
was it a physical craft and the reason

4315
02:54:49,910 --> 02:54:46,800
why

4316
02:54:53,269 --> 02:54:49,920
um you heard what john said last week

4317
02:54:54,309 --> 02:54:53,279
um was this a physical craft why would

4318
02:54:57,750 --> 02:54:54,319
the witnesses

4319
02:55:00,070 --> 02:54:57,760
that were grouped around it uh

4320
02:55:02,070 --> 02:55:00,080
suggest that they wanted to get on it if

4321
02:55:05,590 --> 02:55:02,080
it wasn't a physical craft

4322
02:55:08,950 --> 02:55:05,600
okay i don't know jimmy but listen the

4323
02:55:12,230 --> 02:55:08,960
craft that um turned up on

4324
02:55:15,429 --> 02:55:12,240
jim peniston and john borrows night

4325
02:55:15,990 --> 02:55:15,439
jim describes as nine foot across the

4326
02:55:19,910 --> 02:55:16,000
trees

4327
02:55:23,269 --> 02:55:19,920
are five foot apart the craft that

4328
02:55:26,710 --> 02:55:23,279
bustings describes is like

4329
02:55:30,070 --> 02:55:26,720
30 to 100 foot across and the trees

4330
02:55:32,790 --> 02:55:30,080
are five foot across now

4331
02:55:34,790 --> 02:55:32,800
on both instances they described that

4332
02:55:38,309 --> 02:55:34,800
there was limbs broken off the trees

4333
02:55:42,070 --> 02:55:38,319
right but not even jimmy said

4334
02:55:45,030 --> 02:55:42,080
he don't understand how come a craft

4335
02:55:47,190 --> 02:55:45,040
nine foot across can maneuver in between

4336
02:55:50,230 --> 02:55:47,200
trees that are five foot across

4337
02:55:51,429 --> 02:55:50,240
and in john barrow's hypnosis he says

4338
02:55:52,710 --> 02:55:51,439
it's getting smaller it's getting

4339
02:55:55,990 --> 02:55:52,720
smaller it's getting smaller

4340
02:55:59,750 --> 02:55:56,000
it's moving across the trees

4341
02:56:02,710 --> 02:55:59,760
you tell me the

4342
02:56:03,269 --> 02:56:02,720
the assessment you have spent 40 years

4343
02:56:06,870 --> 02:56:03,279
on this

4344
02:56:09,190 --> 02:56:06,880
uh ronnie uh today

4345
02:56:10,830 --> 02:56:09,200
i've gone back and forth i want your

4346
02:56:13,590 --> 02:56:10,840
opinion

4347
02:56:16,630 --> 02:56:13,600
um are we talking about

4348
02:56:19,910 --> 02:56:16,640
something extraterrestrial not of

4349
02:56:25,990 --> 02:56:23,349
and what makes you say that because

4350
02:56:29,030 --> 02:56:26,000
um that was doing things that we can't

4351
02:56:31,750 --> 02:56:29,040
even replicate today

4352
02:56:32,950 --> 02:56:31,760
for deafness i think that um when this

4353
02:56:35,269 --> 02:56:32,960
first happened

4354
02:56:36,389 --> 02:56:35,279
that the authorities always say listen

4355
02:56:38,150 --> 02:56:36,399
osi

4356
02:56:40,230 --> 02:56:38,160
if there's anything that we're dealing

4357
02:56:42,550 --> 02:56:40,240
with but that's some

4358
02:56:45,349 --> 02:56:42,560
new technology the first thing they'll

4359
02:56:46,230 --> 02:56:45,359
do is send people out into the ufo

4360
02:56:48,710 --> 02:56:46,240
community

4361
02:56:49,750 --> 02:56:48,720
and say that that was a ufo i think

4362
02:56:51,990 --> 02:56:49,760
they'd done that

4363
02:56:53,429 --> 02:56:52,000
but didn't realize that it was i'm sure

4364
02:56:57,830 --> 02:56:53,439
we was doing something

4365
02:56:58,389 --> 02:56:57,840
technology but i opened up a window that

4366
02:57:01,590 --> 02:56:58,399
even

4367
02:57:04,710 --> 02:57:01,600
we couldn't close um

4368
02:57:05,830 --> 02:57:04,720
why uh have you read uh nick redfearn's

4369
02:57:10,150 --> 02:57:05,840
new

4370
02:57:13,429 --> 02:57:10,160
i haven't well you know that what he

4371
02:57:16,630 --> 02:57:13,439
has suggested there um which is

4372
02:57:20,070 --> 02:57:16,640
that this was uh possibly

4373
02:57:23,269 --> 02:57:20,080
uh experiments and and testing done

4374
02:57:26,469 --> 02:57:23,279
on military personnel by uh

4375
02:57:29,110 --> 02:57:26,479
government agencies uh um

4376
02:57:29,510 --> 02:57:29,120
now i appreciate that we need to up we

4377
02:57:32,309 --> 02:57:29,520
need

4378
02:57:33,590 --> 02:57:32,319
all of the ideas with randall shim uh

4379
02:57:35,830 --> 02:57:33,600
pushed uh to the

4380
02:57:36,790 --> 02:57:35,840
center of the table and and nick's book

4381
02:57:38,710 --> 02:57:36,800
which i have read

4382
02:57:39,910 --> 02:57:38,720
and interviewed him about it is an

4383
02:57:42,950 --> 02:57:39,920
interesting read

4384
02:57:45,429 --> 02:57:42,960
and it is another theory and it's

4385
02:57:46,710 --> 02:57:45,439
it's it's got some great points in it

4386
02:57:49,990 --> 02:57:46,720
but the more that

4387
02:57:52,070 --> 02:57:50,000
i move forward in this i have

4388
02:57:54,309 --> 02:57:52,080
circled back around to you know i

4389
02:57:57,590 --> 02:57:54,319
thought about the time traveler aspect

4390
02:58:00,150 --> 02:57:57,600
you know and what jim penniston i'm i'm

4391
02:58:01,269 --> 02:58:00,160
that's i think that's a real possibility

4392
02:58:05,269 --> 02:58:01,279
but

4393
02:58:09,110 --> 02:58:05,279
timeline

4394
02:58:12,550 --> 02:58:09,120
i'm right back to i think

4395
02:58:14,710 --> 02:58:12,560
what has happened here is e.t

4396
02:58:15,910 --> 02:58:14,720
visited rendelsham forest over three

4397
02:58:18,790 --> 02:58:15,920
days

4398
02:58:23,110 --> 02:58:18,800
yeah i'm convinced on that jimmy i am

4399
02:58:26,230 --> 02:58:24,950
there you go and thank you so much

4400
02:58:28,630 --> 02:58:26,240
ronnie um now

4401
02:58:31,110 --> 02:58:28,640
uh really quick i've only got i've

4402
02:58:34,469 --> 02:58:31,120
literally got 45 seconds left

4403
02:58:35,590 --> 02:58:34,479
the uk you guys are you guys are going

4404
02:58:36,950 --> 02:58:35,600
through some harsh stuff

4405
02:58:38,710 --> 02:58:36,960
over there right now you got the new

4406
02:58:40,950 --> 02:58:38,720
kovid 20 right

4407
02:58:41,750 --> 02:58:40,960
you've got that breakout you guys are in

4408
02:58:44,230 --> 02:58:41,760
lockdown

4409
02:58:46,070 --> 02:58:44,240
it's uh it's a very harsh time you're

4410
02:58:48,070 --> 02:58:46,080
dealing with

4411
02:58:49,269 --> 02:58:48,080
on the table you're going through the

4412
02:58:52,630 --> 02:58:49,279
holidays

4413
02:58:53,830 --> 02:58:52,640
um it seems that the uk is tipped upside

4414
02:58:56,070 --> 02:58:53,840
down the next thing you know

4415
02:58:58,790 --> 02:58:56,080
scotland's going to do their own brexit

4416
02:59:00,790 --> 02:58:58,800
um i could see that next on the horizon

4417
02:59:03,269 --> 02:59:00,800
um uh how are you guys dealing with

4418
02:59:05,830 --> 02:59:03,279
everything over there is it is it tense

4419
02:59:07,990 --> 02:59:05,840
or is it just great britain and and you

4420
02:59:09,269 --> 02:59:08,000
guys are going to get through this

4421
02:59:11,030 --> 02:59:09,279
that's great britain and we're going to

4422
02:59:11,750 --> 02:59:11,040
get through this but we're now going to

4423
02:59:15,830 --> 02:59:11,760
what they call

4424
02:59:18,550 --> 02:59:15,840
tier 4 where no one can move anywhere

4425
02:59:19,830 --> 02:59:18,560
so maybe that's what it needs but what

4426
02:59:22,150 --> 02:59:19,840
are you gonna what are you gonna do on

4427
02:59:25,190 --> 02:59:22,160
the 25th

4428
02:59:28,230 --> 02:59:27,030
are you gonna have the family over are

4429
02:59:29,750 --> 02:59:28,240
you guys going to be able to do some

4430
02:59:31,590 --> 02:59:29,760
kind of celebration

4431
02:59:33,830 --> 02:59:31,600
now my family is scattered up and down

4432
02:59:34,550 --> 02:59:33,840
the uk so we've done our celebrations

4433
02:59:37,110 --> 02:59:34,560
already

4434
02:59:38,150 --> 02:59:37,120
now i i just want to say this i've got

4435
02:59:39,670 --> 02:59:38,160
15 seconds left

4436
02:59:41,670 --> 02:59:39,680
i've been watching the christmas tree in

4437
02:59:44,870 --> 02:59:41,680
the background for the whole show

4438
02:59:46,550 --> 02:59:44,880
zero movement zero movement and i can't

4439
02:59:48,469 --> 02:59:46,560
believe i didn't record that but that

4440
02:59:50,070 --> 02:59:48,479
was extraordinary and we got to do that

4441
02:59:50,870 --> 02:59:50,080
together ronnie thank you so much i'm

4442
02:59:54,550 --> 02:59:50,880
glad you spun

4443
02:59:57,349 --> 02:59:54,560
around and you saw what i was seeing

4444
02:59:58,389 --> 02:59:57,359
that's pretty that was pretty nuts man i

4445
03:00:01,830 --> 02:59:58,399
think your sister

4446
03:00:06,150 --> 03:00:03,670
i feel a presence all the while jimmy

4447
03:00:07,030 --> 03:00:06,160
but um tonight we don't need to scratch

4448
03:00:09,750 --> 03:00:07,040
the surface

4449
03:00:10,309 --> 03:00:09,760
i know and anytime you get a guest drop

4450
03:00:12,389 --> 03:00:10,319
by

4451
03:00:14,389 --> 03:00:12,399
a moment's notice i'll come and join you

4452
03:00:16,070 --> 03:00:14,399
and we can take off where we left off

4453
03:00:17,990 --> 03:00:16,080
you are the very best ronnie thank you

4454
03:00:20,630 --> 03:00:18,000
so much happy holidays

4455
03:00:22,389 --> 03:00:20,640
and to you jimmy and i i'll reach out to

4456
03:00:25,510 --> 03:00:22,399
you after the new year thank you so much

4457
03:00:26,309 --> 03:00:25,520
okay cheers jimmy um happy happy

4458
03:00:29,429 --> 03:00:26,319
holidays

4459
03:00:31,910 --> 03:00:29,439
to all the faith notes that's i i

4460
03:00:33,429 --> 03:00:31,920
love the way he says fate or not ronnie

4461
03:00:37,110 --> 03:00:33,439
thank you so much man and

4462
03:00:40,790 --> 03:00:37,120
again enjoy your holidays and

4463
03:00:43,830 --> 03:00:40,800
yeah with that we just went we literally

4464
03:00:47,830 --> 03:00:43,840
went pulled a pole with ronnie dugdale

4465
03:00:49,349 --> 03:00:47,840
an extraordinary important show tonight

4466
03:00:50,870 --> 03:00:49,359
peyton black's executive producer of

4467
03:00:53,030 --> 03:00:50,880
rita kumari on show it's produced by

4468
03:00:55,030 --> 03:00:53,040
hill j palm renee dennis and kevin

4469
03:00:57,590 --> 03:00:55,040
announcers are steve harter jean vitto

4470
03:01:00,590 --> 03:00:57,600
mark d kobar webmasters drew the geek

4471
03:01:01,910 --> 03:01:00,600
music doug aldridge intro spaceboy

4472
03:01:03,990 --> 03:01:01,920
spaceboymusic.com

4473
03:01:05,670 --> 03:01:04,000
paid to black is produced by kjcr for

4474
03:01:07,269 --> 03:01:05,680
the game changer network and syndication

4475
03:01:09,190 --> 03:01:07,279
is kgra

4476
03:01:11,269 --> 03:01:09,200
the planet this broadcast owned a

4477
03:01:12,870 --> 03:01:11,279
copyrighted 2020 by fade to black and

4478
03:01:14,790 --> 03:01:12,880
the game changer network inc

4479
03:01:16,389 --> 03:01:14,800
it cannot be re-broadcast downloaded

4480
03:01:17,110 --> 03:01:16,399
copied or used anywhere in the known

4481
03:01:18,710 --> 03:01:17,120
universe

4482
03:01:20,710 --> 03:01:18,720
without written permission from pay to

4483
03:01:22,710 --> 03:01:20,720
black or the game changer network

4484
03:01:24,550 --> 03:01:22,720
i'm your host jimmy church tomorrow

4485
03:01:27,349 --> 03:01:24,560
night is christmas eve

4486
03:01:27,750 --> 03:01:27,359
it is fader night open lines with all of

4487
03:01:29,910 --> 03:01:27,760
you

4488
03:01:31,510 --> 03:01:29,920
all night long until then i want

4489
03:01:34,100 --> 03:01:31,520
everybody to be safe

4490
03:01:34,280 --> 03:01:34,110
fade to black

4491
03:02:14,830 --> 03:01:34,290
[Applause]